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#1
as in, if a different species(other than humans) were as mentally capable as us, would they develop religion after a certain point?

is a widespread belief in religion inevitable for any self-conscious, intelligent species?
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can anything be unnatural?



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can anything be unnatural?


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#6
Pretty sure ot's a learned custom.
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can anything be unnatural?

I agree with this. The natural/unnatural divide is so stupid and non-existent.
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I agree with this. The natural/unnatural divide is so stupid and non-existent.



what i mean is: is it a result of nature or a learned custom as has been suggested?
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isint god super natural?


Isn't God science fiction?
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#12
I'd suggest that there is a yearning of some sort in people to reach out to a god. Check out ancient civilizations around the world who independently chose to worship something/someone or the other. Even people today treat things and people as if they're "god-worthy"; celebs, technological gadgets...anything really. I see it a lot and think it's kinda sad.
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what i mean is: is it a result of nature or a learned custom as has been suggested?


aren't we a part of nature? aren't our customs shaped by nature. Both our own 'nature' and our environment. It follows that everything is natural and cosistent with it's own nature.

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what i mean is: is it a result of nature or a learned custom as has been suggested?

What is nature? Everything is a result of nature.

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Ya jackass.

Seriously though, we said like the same thing just worded differently. Great minds...?
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#17
I'd say it's a result of human curiosity coupled with our limited knowledge of the universe. If another species possessed these traits, I think they, too, would develop religions.
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I'd say it's a result of human curiosity coupled with our limited knowledge of the universe. If another species possessed these traits, I think they, too, would develop religions.

Pretty much what I came to say...except more concise.
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I'd suggest that there is a yearning of some sort in people to reach out to a god. Check out ancient civilizations around the world who independently chose to worship something/someone or the other. Even people today treat things and people as if they're "god-worthy"; celebs, technological gadgets...anything really. I see it a lot and think it's kinda sad.


^what makes it sad? do you not do this?


ok, ok, everything is the result of nature and so is natural, but do you agree that all intelligent species who are self aware (for example an alien planet harboring intelligent life) are destined to, at some point, believe in a deity?
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#20
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^what makes it sad? do you not do this?


oh yeah, I do it too. Didn't mean to make myself sound exempt/superior because I most certainly am not. Just the extent people go to sometimes; random eg: crazy teen girls go crazy and cry etc. when Biebs get a girlfriend


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ok, ok, everything is the result of nature and so is natural, but do you agree that all intelligent species who are self aware (for example an alien planet harboring intelligent life) are destined to, at some point, believe in a deity?


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#21
try and at least recieve this semi serious. My self-depreciation is the result of insecurity.

What is nature? Is it natural to classify things as unnatural? What is an Erhuist? Who is that guy in AgainstMe's avatar? If everything thing is said to have it's own nature, it would be impossible for that creature to do something that is inconsistent with it's nature? If it is impossible for something to behave against it's nature does that mean there is no such thing as free will?
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Isn't God science fiction?


No. Just plain fiction.
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#23
It's currently thought that our brains are predisposed to believe in a higher power and form rituals based on it. It's also been suggested that if anything, atheism is unusual and should be studied, as a belief in god/etc appears logical based on how our minds are presumed to work. I'm inclined to believe that our brains are more likely to lean towards belief systems based on the reported research. I cba to find any articles though, but that doesn't stop you looking yourself.

edit: here's two links:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13983-religion-is-a-product-of-evolution-software-suggests.html

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126941.700-born-believers-how-your-brain-creates-god.html

(actually that last one is only a preview, found a full copypasta here )

there's been some neuroscience research as well, but I can't remember where I read about it.
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#24
Given the fact that there are millions of different religions around the world, I'd say yes it is. Until whatever animal you've had in mind finds a factual way to explain his existence and other shit, he'll use the supernatural to do so.


Also, whales seem to be quite smart. And they've developed music before they developed religion, so they might as well be smarter than us.
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the fact that we can conceptualize God indicates to me that the answer is YES
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#27
I think it's natural trying to explain things you can't understand, yes.
#28
Define "natural".
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#29
Religion is used as a mechanism to fill in the blanks of our knowledge. If there was another species that had the same thirst for answers, but at the same time such a limited understanding, religion would probably be one of the likely results.
#30
Its natural for humans to try and exlain things they dont understand. It used to work great (god makes sun come up and sends the rain and so forth).

What is unnatural, is that people still cling on to religion, even tough we have scientific answers to those questions. Those kind of people disgust me.
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Religion is used as a mechanism to fill in the blanks of our knowledge. If there was another species that had the same thirst for answers, but at the same time such a limited understanding, religion would probably be one of the likely results.



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I'd say it's a result of human curiosity coupled with our limited knowledge of the universe. If another species possessed these traits, I think they, too, would develop religions.



Not sure if just a rewording so you don't have to + 1 me.
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It's currently thought that our brains are predisposed to believe in a higher power and form rituals based on it. It's also been suggested that if anything, atheism is unusual and should be studied, as a belief in god/etc appears logical based on how our minds are presumed to work.

So what you are saying is that atheists are further along the evolutionary scale?

^ I didn't read the thread until just now. +1 if that makes you feel better you egotistical monster.
#33
That's an interesting question, and I can't say that I have a thought out opinion on it. Based on some of my beliefs, the majority of me wants to say that sentient beings will innately look "higher" -- I think it's their virtue and nature. Whether it can always be classified as religious or not, well, I imagine that's a rather lengthy and complicated issue
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^ I didn't read the thread until just now. +1 if that makes you feel better you egotistical monster.



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#35
superstition is natural. However if any other species had the knowledge of the universe/world that we possess now, it's very unlikely that it would develop a full fledged religion.
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So what you are saying is that atheists are further along the evolutionary scale?

^ I didn't read the thread until just now. +1 if that makes you feel better you egotistical monster.



A mutation. Let's give it a millennia and see how well it works out first before saying more.

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superstition is natural. However if any other species had the knowledge of the universe/world that we possess now, it's very unlikely that it would develop a full fledged religion.

Yeah, but they have to get there first, just like we did.
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#38
You know religion is where basic morals that hold mankind together originated from. If it wasn't for them basically drilling these thoughts into your head we would probably be no different from animals, assuming that athiests are correct.

Is that a good or bad thing? Good and bad are also concepts made through religion that have adapted to the general mass media, so yeah. Thats my nihilistic view on things.

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So what you are saying is that atheists are further along the evolutionary scale?


Bigoted statements like this are what make me think athiests are just as dumb as people who have religious beliefs. Athiesm works like religion in that they act like tehy're religious (or nonreligious) beliefs are superior to everyone else. Basically you're not different than a christian bragging about getting into heaven for believing in god.
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#39
I always looked at religion as a primitive way to explain phenomena that were beyond primitive humans understanding or control. Things like the sun, moon, changes in weather patterns and seasons, illness, drought, bad/good luck, rainbows, coincidences, deja-vu, and to help with dealing with death, etc. And since people attributed those things to one, or many higher powers they also attributed laws, morals and customs to those same higher powers too. For somebody in that time, they would feel more motivated to behave morally when some higher power encourages them to do so.

Then it kinda snowballed as people with different beliefs for why things happened interacted. They blended their beliefs, or one adopted the other, or one forced their beliefs on the others. Or one group allowed the others to continue their beliefs but under a new label and name to convince them to eventually convert after a few generations of assimilation.
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Quote by Thrashtastic15
Religion is used as a mechanism to fill in the blanks of our knowledge. If there was another species that had the same thirst for answers, but at the same time such a limited understanding, religion would probably be one of the likely results.


This. People seek explanations and piety comes with the greatest benefits.

Have we found a primitive culture that is fully atheistic/irreligious? If not then that is a solid enough answer to the question of whether religious belief is natural or not.
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