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http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5hsKgA_xvyKonV0MgoGOudg76NG1w?docId=N0153171322580670576A


Mass killer Anders Breivik will be sent to a psychiatric hospital and not prison after doctors decided he was insane when he murdered 77 people in a bomb and shooting rampage in Norway.

An evaluation ordered by an Oslo court found that Breivik was "psychotic" during the July 22 attacks - the country's worst peacetime massacre - which means he is not mentally fit to be sentenced to prison, prosecutors said.

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In their report, the experts describe a man "who finds himself in his own delusional universe, where all his thoughts and acts are governed by these delusions," Mr Holden said. "They conclude that Anders Behring Breivik during a long period of time has developed the mental disorder of paranoid schizophrenia, which has changed him and made him into the person he is today."

In Norway, an insanity defence requires that a defendant be in a state of psychosis while committing the crime with which he or she is charged. That means the defendant has lost contact with reality to the point that he's no longer in control of his own actions.


Definitely wasn't expecting this verdict. The public image of Breivik didn't give any reason to think he was legally insane.

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Norwegian courts are notoriously lenient, but you can't argue with their results.
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The report is 200 pages long, to be honest people should really wait until the criminal proceedings begin and the report is revealed in full to pass judgement.

AFAIK the diagnoses was based on a number of factors, including his grandiose thoughts and disordered speech.

I'm not particularly surprised though. Schizophrenia certainly fits.


I do expect the masses to through a hissy fit over this though. "Hurr Durr, mental illness isn't real, I know better than the clinicians". Forgetting of course that the period of time spent imprisoned is generally longer for those declared insane.
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The report is 200 pages long, to be honest people should really wait until the criminal proceedings begin and the report is revealed in full to pass judgement.

AFAIK the diagnoses was based on a number of factors, including his grandiose thoughts and disordered speech.

I'm not particularly surprised to be honest. Schizophrenia certainly fits.


I do expect the masses to through a hissy fit over this though.



You can do that for schizophrenia though.

Can you really validate claims of psychosis?
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I did NOT see this coming... I could accept him being seen as a psychopath, not insane.
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You can do that for schizophrenia though.

Can you really validate claims of psychosis?

Yes. If you've ever spoken to a paranoid schizophrenic, and you know what to look for, it's pretty obvious. If Breivik is displaying stuff like disordered speech then Schizophrenia is extremely likely.

Malingering in his case would be next to impossible given the scrutiny he's been subjected to.
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Yes. If you've ever spoken to a paranoid schizophrenic, and you know what to look for, it's pretty obvious. If Breivik is displaying stuff like disordered speech then Schizophrenia is extremely likely.

Malingering in his case would be next to impossible given the scrutiny he's been subjected to.



Yeah, but schizophrenia is more physiological I thought, whereas a psychosis was just a perception issue
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Yeah, but schizophrenia is more physiological I thought, whereas a psychosis was just a perception issue

Schizophrenia manifests with a number of symptoms, psychosis is sometimes among them.
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Seemed obvious to me at the time the guys cheese had slipped his cracker.
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So in 3 years when he's magically sane again, does he get let go or thrown in prison?
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So in 3 years when he's magically sane again, does he get let go or thrown in prison?



Do you see many people insane people actually cured?
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Do you see many people insane people actually cured?


That's not what i asked.
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So in 3 years when he's magically sane again, does he get let go or thrown in prison?

Prison generally. I believe that's also how it works in Norway. Although those declared insane generally spend far longer incarcerated. It's not an easy way out or anything.
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won't this be a way for them to jail him forever without setting a release date?
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No, what you asked was retarded.

If medical professionals say he's insane, he's probably insane.



Nowhere is there a mention of medical professionals made. All it says is "experts." Could have been the defense's experts. Could have been the prosecution's experts. Could have been a combination of the two. How do we know?

My point is that if down the road he's declared sane, does he return to society or is he put in prison where he can have the shit beaten out of him by angry norwegian nationalists?
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Seemed obvious to me at the time the guys cheese had slipped his cracker.


Yes exactly.


It seems obvious to me that he is a very damaged person, I hope he can get the help he needs to recover.

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My point is that if down the road he's declared sane, does he return to society or is he put in prison where he can have the shit beaten out of him by angry norwegian nationalists?


Why would he get the shit beaten out of him by racists in prison? Norwegian prison isn't like North American prison.
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Nowhere is there a mention of medical professionals made. All it says is "experts." Could have been the defense's experts. Could have been the prosecution's experts. Could have been a combination of the two. How do we know?

My point is that if down the road he's declared sane, does he return to society or is he put in prison where he can have the shit beaten out of him by angry norwegian nationalists?

No, it was psychiatrists. Did you even read the article?

Wherever he'll pose the least threat to himself and others.
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This will be extremely interesting to see if it will be important being Case law.

Anyway, for those of you who are pissed off: He'll still be locked up for life, but in a mental institution. It's a lot less nice than prison is in that country.

EDIT: That is, if he doesn't recover. I don't really think he ever will, though.
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How hard would it be for some dude with a .308 to just take his ****ing head off when his face slips into the public eye for one minute while he gets transferred to some loonie bin.
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If he's cured, he will put in prison if he's deemed a danger to society.

Isn't that the whole point of prison anyway?
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How hard would it be for some dude with a .308 to just take his ****ing head off when his face slips into the public eye for one minute while he gets transferred to some loonie bin.


It would be easy. Not a very high probability of that happening though, haha
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No sane person shoots 77 people.
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I dunno, most people aren't too keen on murder, you see. That's very much why he's going to get locked up and/or treated. Very much why anyone who tries to murder him will also get locked up and/or treated.

It's also very difficult to kill someone with a Peugeot.
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It would be easy. Not a very high probability of that happening though, haha


Gosh no, who would possibly want to do that and have the complete ease and access to do so?
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I dunno, most people aren't too keen on murder, you see. That's very much why he's going to get locked up and/or treated. Very much why anyone who tries to murder him will also get locked up and/or treated.

It's also very difficult to kill someone with a Peugeot.


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There is nor way to escape his insanity.
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No sane person shoots 77 people.

That's not true.
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That's not true.

I just don't see how a perfectly sane person could think killing 77 people is a good idea.

I'll admit my opinion is based on nothing but ignorance, though.
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I just don't see how a perfectly sane person could think killing 77 people is a good idea.

I'll admit my opinion is based on nothing but ignorance, though.

I can think of 535 mofos that would be a good start.
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I just don't see how a perfectly sane person could think killing 77 people is a good idea.

I'll admit my opinion is based on nothing but ignorance, though.

That's not how mental disorders work. People can be evil without being insane. Hitler, for example, doesn't seem to have had a mental disorder.
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I can think of 535 mofos that would be a good start.


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