Poll: What do you think about the proposed ideas?
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View poll results: What do you think about the proposed ideas?
I like the idea for a chat thread.
4 14%
I like the idea for a member studio thread.
6 21%
I like both ideas.
19 66%
I don't like either idea.
0 0%
Voters: 29.
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#1
As the newest mod of the Recording Forum, I've been discussing some ways with the others to add functionality to the forum for its members.

Things we've discussed are
:

Public Chat Sticky

Similar to the "Official Drum Forum Chat Thread," "Bass Forum Plan," and GG&A's "Who To Listen To" Thread (but without the discrimination of a list of "preferred" posters). This would just be a "hangout" thread stickied at the top that people can come in and talk about whatever, Recording or off-topic, without threat of their thread being closed for it having no purpose, or post questions that don't really warrant a whole new thread post.

This would be similar to Odirunn's post that's open now, but in a formally recognized sticky

List of Member Studios

In the interest of keeping advertising to a minimum and the mods having to close threads for people trying to advertise their services, offering free mixing or whatever, we've been toying with the idea of having a list posted in a sticky. I know a few of you guys here have your own studios, and we'd like to do something that gives recognition to them so that people looking to have their recordings mixed and what not, have a post to look up who's available on the forum.

However, what we don't want, is to have the post look like a classified section, where anyone can post whatever they want to hype up their services. For this reason, we're thinking about having it closed, so that only mods can post updates to it. This way, it can be unbiased, in that people will have to message a mod to have their studio listed, and each posting will be very small, with only a few lines of text (ie: Studio Name, Studio Website, Contact Username, Genres, Location (for those looking to actually go record at a studio), Home/Project/Professional, etc.), so everyone's looks nearly the same. It would not include pricing, in order to keep the list from being biased towards cheaper services. It'd be up to the person requesting info to find out which is best for their budget.

To keep it fair, this would only be available to contributing members of the forum, and in the interest of fairness, we could then impart a rule which doesn't allow any advertising of studios outside of the sticky (and in your signature, of course).

Here's where you come in:

We would REALLY like your feedback! Good or bad, tell us what you think about what's been proposed and how you think it should work.

If there's too many concerns with a certain idea, we'll scrap it and go back to the drawing boards! As a community, it's important to us to know what our members want, and if you have any other suggestions, please tell us!
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#5
I can't say I'd want a hangout or something.. well idk... not against it but aint longing for it either... as for the studio thing then I totally approve of the idea except may be dont make it a closed thread? have it open and free for chatting on studio stuff but have the OP to have the list and only or something like that
#6
Both seem like good ideas to me
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#7
Overall, I'm in favour of this.

UG is decidedly pretty lax about allowing "self promotion" in people's signatures, so it would be hard to disallow advertising in our signatures for just the recording forum.

I might actually take part in an off-topic chat here. I sure as hell wouldn't in the pit, where I invariably feel like I'm surrounded by morons.

Having the "studio promotion" thread open for chat, I think, would detract from its purpose. Also, it would give the thread starter more rights to it than anyone else. I like Matrix' idea of having it closed, as any mod can add to it, regardless of who owns it.

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#8
Sounds good.

Also a sticky FAQ regarding making a basic recording setup to get rid of the oceans and oceans of these "how do I start recording?" threads
#9
1.. I agree with current OP ideas.
2.. Add a secret porn area. (by that I mean gear porn so we can see the sweet gear everyone has, but maybe not make it secret so everyone can marvel at the l33t preamps.)
3.. Promote me to Supreme Chanceller Of The Recording Forum.

These three things will help the recording forum.

EDIT: and this:


Quote by xFilth
Sounds good.

Also a sticky FAQ regarding making a basic recording setup to get rid of the oceans and oceans of these "how do I start recording?" threads

Just gotta find a way for people to read it. Also it may kill off forum cause god knows we only get 5 threads a day and there the same as day before with just different words. Hell the recommendations are the same. Saffire 6, SM57, AT2020, Any DAW (check out reaper). Might as well get a bot that responds for us. I'm sure the adbots could hook us up.
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#10
Quote by xFilth
Sounds good.

Also a sticky FAQ regarding making a basic recording setup to get rid of the oceans and oceans of these "how do I start recording?" threads

This would be a good idea so long as it included objective information about all the options available to someone entering the world of recording.

It would put an end to some entertaining debates though

Sort of on topic:
I've been requesting (for some time now) that a Studio Equipment section is added to the Reviews area of UG (To be fair, there have also been lots of other requests for it, but I'm shamelessly giving myself credit ).

I've been dealing with one of the Mods (think his name was JustLikeMe?) who said he would create an area for it if I PM'd him some reviews. I've recently submitted a few reviews of my kit to him, so once it's there everyone else can then add reviews of all their studio hardware and software etc.

Assuming that appears reasonably soon (he said it could take a few days) a link to that area from the sticky would be a good idea as it would further the cause of not getting 100's of "which this, which that" type threads.
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#11
Great feedback thus far. As far as a FAQ goes, in the R&R resources sticky, there's a link to a FAQ that we already have:

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=284568

If anyone would like to add or change information, I'm sure one of us mods can edit it in. I agree though, perhaps we should have it stickied so people actually read it.


Keep the ideas and comments coming!
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#13
I'm up for it.
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#14
Alright dudes, looks like the general consensus is good for both ideas.

Anyone have any feedback on what they'd add/take away/whatever from the studio template I'm thinking we can use:

Studio Name:
Contact Username:
Studio Website:
Genres:
Location:

Perhaps we could also post a logo at the top of the information, just to give the posting a bit more life and easier to follow?
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#15
Quote by MatrixClaw
Alright dudes, looks like the general consensus is good for both ideas.

Anyone have any feedback on what they'd add/take away/whatever from the studio template I'm thinking we can use:

Studio Name:
Contact Username:
Studio Website:
Genres:
Location:

Perhaps we could also post a logo at the top of the information, just to give the posting a bit more life and easier to follow?

What about costs?
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#16
i think it would be a good idea to have a stickied thread with reviews and pros and cons of the most common interfaces.a lot of the threads created are people looking for more info so it would cut down on a lot of unnecessary threads
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#17
Quote by Eggmond
i think it would be a good idea to have a stickied thread with reviews and pros and cons of the most common interfaces.a lot of the threads created are people looking for more info so it would cut down on a lot of unnecessary threads


I agree with this. I'm down to help.

I think the public chat thread would be dumb, but I hate public chat threads. If there was an IRC chat, that'd be rad.

Putting costs would be kind of dumb. Local music economies are different based on the area...
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#18
Quote by Eggmond
i think it would be a good idea to have a stickied thread with reviews and pros and cons of the most common interfaces.a lot of the threads created are people looking for more info so it would cut down on a lot of unnecessary threads

All we really need is a Studio Equipment section on the main reviews page...

It's been suggested enough times and you get so many questions about recording equipment that you'd think UG would start to listen. I've submitted a few reviews of my recording gear to one of the Mods who said he'd sort it, so far one of them has appeared in a random section entitled "Accessories" which isn't actually linked from anywhere which is pretty useless.

We need a Studio Equipment section linked on the Reviews homepage.
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#19
My Template Idea:

Studio Name:
Contact Username:
Contact Email:
Studio Website:
Genres:
Location (If doing in house recording):
Services: (Such as mixing, mastering, recording)
Rates (If charging):
Notes:

Just my thoughts. It may seem like a lot but not all are needed. Cant wait to see this up and running.
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#20
^Good idea on the services section. Didn't think about that!

Quote by GaryBillington
What about costs?

I'm kind of on the fence about posting costs, as it will give an unfair advantage to others. People will try to undercut each other's prices, and people will be looking at contacting studios based on their prices posted and not the quality they can produce.

I was thinking, maybe we could have it grouped by sections (ie: Home Studio, Project Studio, Professional Studio, etc.), that should allow people to find studios based on portfolios, which should give the reader an idea of budget ranges, but lower complete discrimination based on prices. Some members may be willing to work on prices, or their prices might change for certain projects, so having a set price on the posting really wouldn't be too helpful in the first place. What do you guys think?

I suppose the price point could be optional to post, but that still kind of has the same issue.

Quote by GaryBillington
All we really need is a Studio Equipment section on the main reviews page...

It's been suggested enough times and you get so many questions about recording equipment that you'd think UG would start to listen. I've submitted a few reviews of my recording gear to one of the Mods who said he'd sort it, so far one of them has appeared in a random section entitled "Accessories" which isn't actually linked from anywhere which is pretty useless.

We need a Studio Equipment section linked on the Reviews homepage.

I'll talk to the mods that run the reviews and see what I can do
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#21
Quote by MatrixClaw
people will be looking at contacting studios based on their prices posted and not the quality they can produce.


Eh... they'll do that anyway. But then again, it could be argued that we don't need to help them in that regard.

Quote by MatrixClaw

I was thinking, maybe we could have it grouped by sections (ie: Home Studio, Project Studio, Professional Studio, etc.),


Grouped by sections is a good idea, but it will take some thought as to how. AFAIK, none of us here has a pro studio, which makes us all home studios and project studios... and to delineate between those two is pretty nebulous. I describe my setup as a project studio, but it is at home, so, it is a home studio...

That, and there will surely be those with delusions of grandeur that will have an Audigy sound card, a cracked version of Cubase, and an SM57 will will want to put his in the "almost pro studio" category.

I think maybe price might be a decent parameter to group by.

Most pro studios are going to be at least $80/hr and up. Jerk-off-who-thinks-he-has-an-almost-pro-studio boy is probably charging $10/hr, if he has any clients at all, which would put him squarely where he belongs - in the home studio category. Someone like me who charges $30 would be in that in-between tier.

So maybe, rather than listing exact prices, have categories like:
$0-20/hr
$21-50/hr
$51-79/hr
$80+ /hr

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#22
Quote by MatrixClaw
^Good idea on the services section. Didn't think about that!

I'm kind of on the fence about posting costs, as it will give an unfair advantage to others. People will try to undercut each other's prices, and people will be looking at contacting studios based on their prices posted and not the quality they can produce.


Don't call it cost. Break it into three categories:

For-Portfolio: For those just looking for projects to work on and get their name on. Usually geared for those starting out or with little experience.

Depends on Project: For those who would like to make a little cash but also open to free work. Those who have a good idea how to mix/master/track and have done some work before.

Professional: Basically what it says. Only accepting projects that are paying. Pretty much will provide results similar to a good studio.

You don't have to put prices up. This way, you get an idea of where everyones experience is and you aren't discriminating too much between free vs commercial.
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#23
Quote by axemanchris
Eh... they'll do that anyway. But then again, it could be argued that we don't need to help them in that regard.


Grouped by sections is a good idea, but it will take some thought as to how. AFAIK, none of us here has a pro studio, which makes us all home studios and project studios... and to delineate between those two is pretty nebulous. I describe my setup as a project studio, but it is at home, so, it is a home studio...

That, and there will surely be those with delusions of grandeur that will have an Audigy sound card, a cracked version of Cubase, and an SM57 will will want to put his in the "almost pro studio" category.

I think maybe price might be a decent parameter to group by.

Most pro studios are going to be at least $80/hr and up. Jerk-off-who-thinks-he-has-an-almost-pro-studio boy is probably charging $10/hr, if he has any clients at all, which would put him squarely where he belongs - in the home studio category. Someone like me who charges $30 would be in that in-between tier.

So maybe, rather than listing exact prices, have categories like:
$0-20/hr
$21-50/hr
$51-79/hr
$80+ /hr

CT

Definitely a good idea and good points on the home vs. project studios. I was thinking of categories similar to that myself, actually. There should still be a fair amount of competition between the categories, without having to post specific price points. Good idea!

Quote by lockwolf
Don't call it cost. Break it into three categories:

For-Portfolio: For those just looking for projects to work on and get their name on. Usually geared for those starting out or with little experience.

Depends on Project: For those who would like to make a little cash but also open to free work. Those who have a good idea how to mix/master/track and have done some work before.

Professional: Basically what it says. Only accepting projects that are paying. Pretty much will provide results similar to a good studio.

You don't have to put prices up. This way, you get an idea of where everyones experience is and you aren't discriminating too much between free vs commercial.

Hmm, I kinda like this idea as well... It gives people 3 categories to choose from that should work well in any situation.
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#24
Quote by DiveRightIn63

I think the public chat thread would be dumb, but I hate public chat threads. If there was an IRC chat, that'd be rad.

There is an IRC chat, both for UG and UG recording. the recording one was never all that popular, and was typically pretty dead after the first couple months it was up. just checked and it still exists, but was completely empty.

info on the chat if people want to start using it again:
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1216072
#25
Quote by jof1029
There is an IRC chat, both for UG and UG recording. the recording one was never all that popular, and was typically pretty dead after the first couple months it was up. just checked and it still exists, but was completely empty.

info on the chat if people want to start using it again:
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1216072


Yeah... if we could just resurrect it it'd be cool hahaha
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#26
Quote by lockwolf
Don't call it cost. Break it into three categories:

For-Portfolio: For those just looking for projects to work on and get their name on. Usually geared for those starting out or with little experience.

Depends on Project: For those who would like to make a little cash but also open to free work. Those who have a good idea how to mix/master/track and have done some work before.

Professional: Basically what it says. Only accepting projects that are paying. Pretty much will provide results similar to a good studio.

You don't have to put prices up. This way, you get an idea of where everyones experience is and you aren't discriminating too much between free vs commercial.


I dunno. I'm not sure where I would put mine. I generally only accept projects that are paying, but I don't charge my friends, and if I found something that I was really excited about, I would do it for free, but I haven't yet.

That would mostly put me in the "professional" category, but I hardly run what could be called a pro studio.

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#27
Quote by axemanchris
I dunno. I'm not sure where I would put mine. I generally only accept projects that are paying, but I don't charge my friends, and if I found something that I was really excited about, I would do it for free, but I haven't yet.

That would mostly put me in the "professional" category, but I hardly run what could be called a pro studio.

CT


I couldn't really think of a name for paid only gigs that sounded right. I was really looking for some way to not only distinguish cost but also results. Then again, theres not going to be a fool proof way to tell :p
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#28
A dedicated thread for users to offer mixing services would be nice. I know I'd like to be able to promote myself as a mixer without creating a thread and having it spammed or lost. It could contain information such as which genres, average turnaround, price, samples of previous work, etc.
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#29
Quote by MatrixClaw
I'll talk to the mods that run the reviews and see what I can do

Nice one, it makes so much sense it's amazing it isn't already there!!

The inaccessible "Accessories" section already contains reviews of a few interfaces & multitrackers that nobody has seen yet because there are no links to it....
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#30
Quote by DiveRightIn63
Yeah... if we could just resurrect it it'd be cool hahaha


The channel will pretty much always be there if people desire the use of it. It's just getting people in there that was the problem.

I remember the recording chat was never all that boisterous but it was a nice place to shoot the sh*t about recording and other thingamabobs.
#31
Quote by Mack56
The channel will pretty much always be there if people desire the use of it. It's just getting people in there that was the problem.

I remember the recording chat was never all that boisterous but it was a nice place to shoot the sh*t about recording and other thingamabobs.


It had its moments.
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#32
Quote by lockwolf
Don't call it cost. Break it into three categories:

For-Portfolio: For those just looking for projects to work on and get their name on. Usually geared for those starting out or with little experience.

Depends on Project: For those who would like to make a little cash but also open to free work. Those who have a good idea how to mix/master/track and have done some work before.

Professional: Basically what it says. Only accepting projects that are paying. Pretty much will provide results similar to a good studio.

You don't have to put prices up. This way, you get an idea of where everyones experience is and you aren't discriminating too much between free vs commercial.



I like his ideas.

Because without category I don't know if someone in my category qualify for a spot in the thread.

I'm studying in the field right now, and starting to build up some recording gear but I wouldn't call myself a studio. But I do mixes and small time recording too, and I can use my school Studios to work on personal project, and would love to get my hand on some work(free).
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#33
Quote by DiveRightIn63
Yeah... if we could just resurrect it it'd be cool hahaha

i can be in there whenever im on UG. if people want it to pick up, just head on in and hang around till others show up.
#35
If I'm honest, and I'm a fairly tech-savvy guy by average user's standards, I find IRC-based chat to feel and look really dated, sluggish and boring... I imagine most people would wait around longer if the chat system was more like an IM service - I know that wouldn't be possible, and adding everyone's profiles just to chat could be annoying, but something I used a few years ago when I was into gaming and ran a fairly successful clan on a game I won't mention (wasn't WoW or similar, but still something a tad too low on the cool factor for me to openly admit to :P) we used to use Skype because unlike most other IM services, you can host a party/group chat that stays open and have it password protected if you want (could be as simple as 'UGrecordings') which we could have an official title for, have admins for, and you can also sticky messages/warnings at the top as a reminder (maybe not to use excessive expletive/abusive language if we have younger users on there?).

Assuming people actually want it, I would be happy to set it up and host it. Skype is a fairly small download most computers come with anyway nowadays, and the major plus-side over IRC is that everyone could pick it up easily, there are smilies/emoticons and if you post a message, it will stay there and when users sign back in they will see all the messages since they left, if they want to read what was gone.
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#36
Quote by DisarmGoliath
If I'm honest, and I'm a fairly tech-savvy guy by average user's standards, I find IRC-based chat to feel and look really dated, sluggish and boring... I imagine most people would wait around longer if the chat system was more like an IM service - I know that wouldn't be possible, and adding everyone's profiles just to chat could be annoying, but something I used a few years ago when I was into gaming and ran a fairly successful clan on a game I won't mention (wasn't WoW or similar, but still something a tad too low on the cool factor for me to openly admit to :P) we used to use Skype because unlike most other IM services, you can host a party/group chat that stays open and have it password protected if you want (could be as simple as 'UGrecordings') which we could have an official title for, have admins for, and you can also sticky messages/warnings at the top as a reminder (maybe not to use excessive expletive/abusive language if we have younger users on there?).

Assuming people actually want it, I would be happy to set it up and host it. Skype is a fairly small download most computers come with anyway nowadays, and the major plus-side over IRC is that everyone could pick it up easily, there are smilies/emoticons and if you post a message, it will stay there and when users sign back in they will see all the messages since they left, if they want to read what was gone.

That's pretty cool. I didn't know Skype could do that.

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#37
Quote by MatrixClaw
That's pretty cool. I didn't know Skype could do that.

P.S. I used to play Everquest. Screw that WoW crap, it sucks horrendously.

Yeah, I've created one now anyway in case people wanna start using it as I'm off on tour tomorrow night and won't be able to access it much and set things up etc. - will post link up in a sec, and hopefully get some activity going, but if not it was worth a shot :p

For anyone worried about it being too much like facebook/MSN and irritating, you can set it so you are only notified (skype chat pops open on screen) when your name is mentioned in the chat (on the chat options, you type in keywords you want to trigger notifications, or have it never notify you or always notify you when something happens).


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Edit: For anyone interested, the chatlink is here and once you've joined you don't need to rejoin each time you sign in etc. but you will need to download Skype if you don't already have it. For now, it's only me as I have no UG'ers on Skype and haven't used it for years, but think this could work - anyone can post now btw, and I won't require admin permission to join unless people want it/one of the mods here thinks we need it.
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#38
neat idea! I tried clicking on the link and got a page has been removed message.

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#39
Right, looked it up on the Skype website and because I haven't used it in a while my version of Skype was very outdated (v2.7 or something, and just upgraded to 5.3 lol) so they've changed the feature since (hence the links being broken).

Only problem is you now need to start a conversation with someone and add in more people to then turn it into a group conversation, which then works like the chat I mentioned earlier - and so far, as I deleted all the people who were in my contact list from before as I am unlikely to need to talk to them after so long... I have no contacts to create the chat with So basically, need people to add me/someone else from here before we can make this group chat!
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