#1
With "Radikale Randgruppe"(not Radikult don't worry), this band loosely serves as a continuation of the style that could be found on Beherit-EDS tracks like "We Worship" or "Dead Inside", with more noise and abrasiveness, keeping at a filthy mid pace, overly distorted and noisy guitar work and vocals. This is a pure representation of industrial dengeneration, smoggy streets and cold machinery.The industrial elements shine through allot more so than the BM elements.I would highly recommend this release.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9q9YOsBvfg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpNnm1458Rg&feature=related
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#2
One of the many Heard good things about, but never listened to bands.

doesn't sound too bad, but it's not something that made me want to listen to it further
#3
Honestly haven't listened to them since the first album was out back in 2003, never kept my interest in them, but the newer stuff actually sounds quite decent.

Heres the one i liked from the first album, i heard it on a Kerrang sampler cd of all things: Hate Engine
#4
can't say im into their early stuff, Anti-Life sounded like generic metalcore meets bm.
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#6
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if only they weren't NS ****heads.


"That's why I listen to your music, not what you have to say" is a philosophy I've picked up over the years of listening to NS artists making music.

It's easier than making a big fuss over it, ya know?


As for this music, it's kind of OK. It's really filthy riffs and the vocals are really great, might just get the album.
#7
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if only they weren't NS ****heads.


So do you not like Death In June anymore ? They use deathshead runes and seem to lean on the far right as well. I can empathize with Discharge just as much as i can with Der Sturmer, certain leftist based ideas i agree with, and some far right ideas i agree with. The main thing is that not everyone has to be black and white "us vs them". How about the NS bands who are not in anyway racist?, and just enjoy embracing their culture and want ethnic homogony for all people? These are the same people who would find beauty in a traditionalist African state just as much as they would a tradition based German state and etc. Not every band with a Deathshead or Swastika believe the exact same thing.
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#8
Finding about Death In June's appropriation of Nazi imagery certainly gave me a distaste for them. I think National Socialism is, as a rule, a pretty ****ed up ideology. Advocating for racial separation is inherently racist. And, in the context of NSBM, the VAST majority is racist, white-power garbage. I have absolutely no common ground with people who find any validity in those ideas. It always kind of blows my mind that when I express the fact that I refuse to listen to NS stuff on principle I am branded as the unreasonable one.
#9
I would disagree about just jumping to conclusions about pan-nationalist ideas of racial and ethnic segregation(lots are more interested in culture than race, and there is also valid research that suggest that the two are quite linked in ways,certain aspects i find disagreeing with most of them myself),if saying that "yes their are differences between different biological groups of people" is racist, than yeah sure, but it is not necessarily stating that one race is better than any other.I don't find it unreasonable for you to be that way, i don't listen to hedonistic club music for the same reason, and i support you for sticking to your guns. I just felt the need to inquire. I have no issue agreeing to disagree in this case.
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#10
From what I can tell from the sparse amount of information I could find on Disiplin, they follow NSBM but do not inherently dislike other races. To quote Weltenfeind,

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I wish the NS movement could be able to create real change, but I fear our time has passed. I think our main objective now is to remain uncorrupted by the forces of Kali Yuga. Take care of friends, comrades, family and the ones you love. Protect, isolate and insulate. NSBM is art and propaganda intended to inspire, awaken, and give fuel to those few who still have not been corrupted by the Modern World.
#11
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How so?
It's easy to dismiss because it's so alien, but isn't it more of a cultural thing anyway? Strong culture/cultural ties, avoiding monoculture/anti-culture... One could make a case it empowers all the races by allowing them to develop their own cultures and thrive therein.
However, yeah, definitely; the majority of neo-nazis, etc, are scum from my experience.


The thing if we look at musicians like Boyd Rice or the guys from DIJ, they have worked with Jews and Blacks with no issue. Idiot skinheads give everyone remotely associated with this scene a bad name, but it is'nt such a black and white thing.
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#12
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"That's why I listen to your music, not what you have to say" is a philosophy I've picked up over the years of listening to NS artists making music.

It's easier than making a big fuss over it, ya know?

Tru Dat


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So do you not like Death In June anymore ? They use deathshead runes and seem to lean on the far right as well.

He used the Totenkopf to represent death, much in same the way they later used a whip. The Totenkopf was in a circle, with a 6. The circle with the six representing June, and Totenkopf repressing Death, and it was in June.
As for the use of the Inverted Algiz rune, Algiz represents life, but it if you invert a rune it means the opposite, so again it symbolizes death. I think there's a lot of bands from that scene who in the early days had far right leanings, but have since changed their views. Saddly the antifa brigade don't seem to realise people's opinions change. Besides, he's gay, and has collaborated with jewish musicians in the past too. I mean covering Horst Wessel Leid didn't help things, but I think he just likes the Controversy. And besides, I think Horst Wessel Lied is a really catchy piece of music.

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How about the NS bands who are not in anyway racist?, and just enjoy embracing their culture and want ethnic homogony for all people? These are the same people who would find beauty in a traditionalist African state just as much as they would a tradition based German state and etc.

I'd argue those bands are falsely labelled NS and are actually Nationalist, which is vastly different to National Socialism.


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F I have absolutely no common ground with people who find any validity in those ideas. It always kind of blows my mind that when I express the fact that I refuse to listen to NS stuff on principle I am branded as the unreasonable one.

There's a difference between appreciating music, and appreciation the ideology that goes with it. Wagner was a big Antisemite, but that doesn't stop people appreciating The Ride of the Valkyries. Whilst I respect your position, I don't see why people can't separate music from politics.

At the moment, I'm reading Atlas Shrugged. Now there a lot of stuff I disagree with, and dislike about the way it's written and characters are portrayed. But I'm still enjoying reading it none the less. You don't have to agree with the message that comes with something.
#13
For the DIJ, Peirce has made allot of statements that would suggest he is in fact on the far right, though he uses his past in the Punk band Crisis and insists that he is actually on the left quite a bit. I think that he just is'nt limited to one side or the other, and takes what he likes from both sides. Between NS and Nationalist the lines are quite blurred though you have to admit. What is Atlas Shrugged about anyways? I've been meaning to read it.
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#14
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What is Atlas Shrugged about anyways? I've been meaning to read it.

Money, Trains, Metal and Ayn Rands Objectivism.

I'm only about 450 pages in though, and I feel the story is yet to get going.

There's some interesting ideas, even if I don't agree with them. But the whole book seems to be essentially an means of explaining objectivism. Like there's scene's added for no reason than for her to present her opinions. for example this is from the book, and there's one point where she seemingly launches into a 3 page monologue by one of the character about the value of money.

But like I say, I'm only about half way through yet.
#15
Fascinating, i may pick that up if i see a cheap copy off of ebay.

So uh, does anyone actually like the band lol? Lots of talk about Ns and other fun topics, but how about the band ?
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