#1
I've been trying to get my trills up. Practicing holding a trill for 30 seconds and increasing the tempo until I can't anymore. Eventually I hit a wall depending on the fingers I use.

So I looked around and read some stuff that said you shouldn't feel tension in your hand. At lower speeds I don't, but when I'm trilling nearer my limit the tension slowly builds until my hand locks up.

I went back and found the lowest tempos where my hand starts to feel tense within 30 seconds of trilling.

But now I'm not sure what strategy to take. Do I practice at max speed and try to get it higher, playing through the tension as much as possible? Or do I go back to my threshold speed and keep working to be able to play at that speed with no tension before I increase the tempo?
#2
When I did this I used no metronomes and never thought about raising the tempo. I just went as fast as I comfortable could and held it for as long as I could, and over time that became faster.

It is important to be relaxed though. What I suggest you do is warm up first. Do some various finger exercises to loosen up your fingers. Dont worry about going fast when doing this.

Also, take a breath a beat or so before you start the trill and make sure you breath evenly whilst your doing them. To relax you need good blood flow and a good level of oxygen in your blood.

Also, try not to think about doing the trill to much. Do them whilst watching TV or doing a Where Wolly book.

I hope these suggestions help.


Its normal for some finger combinations to be harder than others. Over time it will even out.

I actually still do these regularly and have done for years.
Last edited by jkielq91 at Dec 5, 2011,
#3
But now I'm not sure what strategy to take. Do I practice at max speed and try to get it higher, playing through the tension as much as possible? Or do I go back to my threshold speed and keep working to be able to play at that speed with no tension before I increase the tempo?


The question is, are you trying to build stamina? Finger independence?

For stamina or strength, practice at a challenging pace (but not max!) until your hands feel tired. Stop a few seconds, shake, repeat.

For independence what you need to do is play slowly enough so you can focus on each finger moving without affecting the others.

I would only do trills for building strength and stamina, they're not great for much else.

These two exercises are much better than just random trills for strength and stamina regardless -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89ICrLfbG9I&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BkaQrMi_mM&feature=BFa&list=SP8285311F648D6999&lf=list_related
#4
Have you ever heard a song where somebody trilled between two notes for 30 seconds?

Of course you haven't, so why are you bothered about trying to do it...it's just a pointless goal.
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#5
Freepower: Thanks, I'll check those out.

Steven: I started working on them because I was working on a pentatonic lick that trilled across the scale and found that at 160bpm my fingers started to lock up. So I figured I'd take a couple weeks and focus on basic trills to improve stamina and a bit of speed.
#6
Quote by Freepower
The question is, are you trying to build stamina? Finger independence?

For stamina or strength, practice at a challenging pace (but not max!) until your hands feel tired. Stop a few seconds, shake, repeat.

For independence what you need to do is play slowly enough so you can focus on each finger moving without affecting the others.

I would only do trills for building strength and stamina, they're not great for much else.

These two exercises are much better than just random trills for strength and stamina regardless -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89ICrLfbG9I&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BkaQrMi_mM&feature=BFa&list=SP8285311F648D6999&lf=list_related



The exercise in your first video there sounds identical to Doom's Halls of the Damned. Kick. Ass.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpIK7l_IqjM


Anyways, not to hijack the thread, but I think I'm going to spend some time trying to see what I can learn from your videos. I didn't know you had them man!
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Quote by Freepower
The question is, are you trying to build stamina? Finger independence?

For stamina or strength, practice at a challenging pace (but not max!) until your hands feel tired. Stop a few seconds, shake, repeat.

For independence what you need to do is play slowly enough so you can focus on each finger moving without affecting the others.

I would only do trills for building strength and stamina, they're not great for much else.

These two exercises are much better than just random trills for strength and stamina regardless -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89ICrLfbG9I&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BkaQrMi_mM&feature=BFa&list=SP8285311F648D6999&lf=list_related

Finger independence + trills is an absolute bitch. I'm getting better at it but it's taking a lot of work.
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