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I've been in the need of a new amp. Badly. Right now I have a 20W Vox Valvetronix. It was the first amp I ever got & I've had it for approx. 5 years. I know I need a tube amp, and I want a cabinet because I play at my church and I could just bring the head and not the entire thing (they have cabs there). I want a great clean with the ability to have a nice overdrive/ boost sound with the help of pedals. I'm between a 15W Vox Night Train, a 15W Egnater Tweaker or a 5W Epiphone Valve Jr. that my friend can mod. In a way, I would like the Epiphone because it's cheaper, but at the same time, I would kind of prefer a straight up amp in-case I decide to sell at some point. Any suggestions? Thanks
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Check out Blackstar, I know most people say they're hybrids claiming to be tubes but they still have tubes in them. I think Bugera makes a low wattage amp head too but I don't quite remember right off hand.
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Check out Blackstar, I know most people say they're hybrids claiming to be tubes but they still have tubes in them. I think Bugera makes a low wattage amp head too but I don't quite remember right off hand.


the v22 would be something for you, cheap, good, and nice cleans

the JCA 20 is too much high gain for you.. TBH
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the v22 would be something for you, cheap, good, and nice cleans

the JCA 20 is too much high gain for you.. TBH

The JCA 20h is not a hi-gain amp, it is a mid gain amp, and it takes pedals extremely well. He just wants a cleen ch to add pedals to.
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Check out Blackstar, I know most people say they're hybrids claiming to be tubes but they still have tubes in them.


well that's just the best logic i've ever seen
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If you're wanting a clean channel that stays clean above a drummer anything under 30W isn't gonna do it very well
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#8
If you don't need a ton of head room, the tiny terror is great.

If you need the cleans to be squeaky clean over a drummer. Dual terror is great, but at this point you're getting into really expensive stuff.
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If you don't need a ton of head room, the tiny terror is great.

If you need the cleans to be squeaky clean over a drummer. Dual terror is great, but at this point you're getting into really expensive stuff.


at that point getting a ac30 is the best choice imo...

the tweaker is awsome
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Mid-range tube amplifier, yet you're still speaking of pretty much the cheapest tube amps there are. I think that mid-range tube amplifiers cost like 700 €. But then again, while those amps are cheap, they aren't "cheap". They're good for the price.
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I don't mind having an amp with distortion; that's why I'm looking at the Egnater and the Vox. What I mean is, I don't want an amp that can do everything okay; I want an amp that specializes in clean, so I can use pedals. Not strictly a clean sounding amp.
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Quote by Super Cracker
Check out Blackstar, I know most people say they're hybrids claiming to be tubes but they still have tubes in them.


The valvetronixs have tubes in them

If it's between the Vox and the Tweaker, I'd go with the tweaker.
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Would a Marshall Vintage Modern be too expensive and/or too big? I really like the sound I get out one of those, from clean to overdrive and to even more driven stuff, but it isn't really a high gain amplifier at all...
Also Fender Blues Junior and Hot Rod Deluxe are both really stunning amplifiers and definitely both worthy to be checked and tested out.
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#14
If the most important part of the amp are its cleans, you'll probably need something with a bit more wattage for more headroom. $400 doesn't buy you much in the way of headroom for good cleans unfortunately, especially when it comes to tube amps. In a situation like this, I wouldn't totally ignore solid state, just dont bother with modeling crap.

I'd suggest a used jazz chorus if they were cheaper and portability wasn't an issue. I know a few years ago fender had a 100w ss head (FM-100H) that seemed quite good for being ss and under 3 bills.

If you're really set on tube, go for it, I just think you should keep your options open. Go to a music store and try out a few amps with guitars similar to yours. Also, keep in mind that speakers can have a large influence on your sound.
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I really like the versatility of the Egnater, but I don't like the clean. In a perfect world. there would be an AC15 sound head & I wouldn't think twice, but there isn't (as far as I know) and I'm not a huge combo fan..
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I want an amp that specializes in clean, so I can use pedals. Not strictly a clean sounding amp.


Then you need something bigger than what you're looking at. More wattage means the amp will have more headroom (how clean it stays as you turn the volume up). The amps you're looking at will do good clean tones, but once you start turning the volume up to the point of playing over a drummer it will start distorting. It's the nature of tube amps and in order to get cleans at gigging volume you need a higher wattage rig. 30W tube would be about the minimum in my opinion.

It's a whole lotta amp, but try to find a Kustom TRT100. The one I had a few years ago had barely any distortion to speak of but the cleans stayed sparkly clean throughout most of the of volume knob. And that's with the chinese tubes it shipped with.

I know you said you wanted a head, but one of the red knob Fenders from the late 80's/early 90's would be a good choice. Such as "The Twin". Fender cleans are a standard
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I don't mind having an amp with distortion; that's why I'm looking at the Egnater and the Vox. What I mean is, I don't want an amp that can do everything okay; I want an amp that specializes in clean, so I can use pedals. Not strictly a clean sounding amp.


not to query your thought process here, but do you want an amp which specialises in cleans because you mainly play clean, or do you want an amp which specialises in cleans because you think that means it'll take dirt pedals better? If it's the former, go for it, but if it's the latter, in my experience anyway, having a good clean tone by no means guarantees a good distorted sound with pedals.
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well that's just the best logic i've ever seen

The point I was trying to make is that they do have tubes in them, I've seen people try to talk them down for being hybrids making it sound like they don't have tubes at all, but they do.
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hybrid means a mixture, last time i checked
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people try to talk them down for being hybrids making it sound like they don't have tubes at all, but they do.


It seems your definition of "hybrid" differs from everyone else's . Hybrid means it has both tubes and solid state trickery. The SS part is what everyone talks down about them, rightly so when they advertise it as an all-tube design.
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#21
I play in a worship band for my church on Sundays and Wednesdays. Anyone who knows that style of music knows that there isn't much if any distortion. It's all overdrive and boost at most. That's the sound I want. So when I say "clean" I really just mean not too muddy or heavy; more bright and hi-fi. I guess I could've made myself a little more clear.
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#22
ah ok, thanks

then i guess going for a more clean-orientated amp makes sense.

fender blues deluxe or something like that? maybe that's over budget. even a blues or pro junior might work, if they have enough headroom.
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#23
Fender and Vox aren't well known for their amp heads, but they do make them. The AC30 head is your best bet, and it's well over $1000.

The best thing for you would be a Vox AC30, or Fender deluxe reverb depending on what clean sound you like more. They both take pedals great though. You will just have to get used to lugging heavy amps.

If these are out of your budget, a Fender Blues Jr, or Vox AC15 is always a good choice.

And the Blues Jr. only weighs 31 lbs!

I've noticed that churchy people like the vox's to get that kind of ambient bell like tone.
I would say scour craigslist for an AC30 and never look back.
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#24
Your church have a PA? If so, get an AC15C1 and mic it if you're getting too much grit at volume. 112 combos aren't that bad to haul around.
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