#1
Anyone with these amps have any feedback for me. Looking for something in the price range of these two $800-$1000 range. Will be used at home only and I like the fact that you can dial down the watts on both of them. I like a super high gain metal sound and also something Pantara sounding. Have it narrowed down to these two after ruling out the engle gigmaster as I heard from serveral sources it has a solid state preamp although the specs from them don't tell this (maybe its a rumor, anyone know). Also any recommendation for a good quality but low cost 1 or 2 speaker cabinet for these.

Right now I'm using a Peavey 60 tube vyper and a Fender Mustang III. I had gone fifteen yrs without an amp and just got these recently affter getting back into guitar. I know 15 yrs. what was I thinking? Life got in the way and I played without an amp for way to long. I will say that solid state amps have come along ways since 1996, WOW. The Peavey is not a bad hybrid amp but to be honest if you figure out how to dial in the sound on the mustang it actually has way more gain and sounds better turned up loud and the built in effects are much better, the Peavey effects pretty much suck I think. Have not had a chance to run a good overdrive thru the Peavey but seems to me the tube vypers are overated even though you do sorta get a tube tone to it. Oh well what I'm getting at is I want something of way higher quality than what I have now.
Last edited by Steveinsene at Dec 12, 2011,
#2
I own an Orange TH30 myself, and I have to say, it's loud. On the 30 watts setting, you can blow out your windows, on the 15 watt setting it's quieter, but still loud, and the 7,5 watt setting just doesn't sound that good to me.
The Orange TH30 isn't that tight, so if you're looking after a modern metal sound, you'll probably need an OD and/or an EQ.
Is the cab included in the budget?
Orange cabs are good, a lot of people recommend avatar cabs for 2x12s...

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#3
Quote by Steveinsene
I like a super high gain metal sound and also something Pantara sounding. Have it narrowed down to these two after ruling out the engle gigmaster as I heard from serveral sources it has a solid state preamp


You do realize Dimebag used SS randall amps for pretty much all the early pantera albums, right?
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You do realize Dimebag used SS randall amps for pretty much all the early pantera albums, right?


Yeah I've read that and seen videos of him at krank when they first started up. Actually I think all the albums with Pantera were solid state, someone correct me if I'm wrong he did not go to the tube Kranks untill 2004 the same year he died.
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Quote by jpatan
You do realize Dimebag used SS randall amps for pretty much all the early pantera albums, right?


Probably the reason the TS wants an amp with a tube pre and power section.

For $800-1000, you can do a lot better. Especially if you go used.

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I own an Orange TH30 myself, and I have to say, it's loud. On the 30 watts setting, you can blow out your windows, on the 15 watt setting it's quieter, but still loud, and the 7,5 watt setting just doesn't sound that good to me.
The Orange TH30 isn't that tight, so if you're looking after a modern metal sound, you'll probably need an OD and/or an EQ.
Is the cab included in the budget?
Orange cabs are good, a lot of people recommend avatar cabs for 2x12s...


Cab is not included in that budget but don't want to break the bank either. I don't necessarily care that its not that tight don't play much modern metal anyway, more solos if anything so a super high gain shred sound would be good. I like the orange sound and it sounds like the Thunder 30 has more gain than any amp they have made. Can you get the full on gain sound in the 15 and 7.5 watt settings at a fairly loud bedroom level in a large house type setting. Also may be interested in the carvin v3 micro in a combo or cab but don't see alot of reviews of them guess I should use the search function.
Thanks a ton guys.
Last edited by Steveinsene at Dec 12, 2011,
#7
Answer these questions then get back to us: https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1387138

Obviously new here thanks for pointing out this thread, I've just gotten back into electric guitar after a long time off, still picked around on my electric but did not keep up with gear and trends in the slightest. If forums like this existed or were big in 1996 when I pawned my amp I probably would of stuck with it or lived vicariously through other peoples posts, but instead I had wandered far from the scene and things have changed dramatically since then.

I own a cheap yamaha strat copy with cheap humbucker and 2 single coils an also recently picked up a Schecter Hellraiser. I've already posted my budget in the first post. Guitar players I like are Eddie Van Halen older stuff, Dimebag, Dave Mustaine, Pepper Keenan of COC and Down, Kerry King and Many of the high gain intstrumenatalist solo type guys from the 80s, 90, and beyond such as Jason becker, Freidman, Petrucci, etc,etc. Also like me some Stevie Ray Vaughn and even Hendrix but getting that sound is not that important.
Play at home
Clean sound not that important, should be able to get something decent at low volume.
New or used does not matter, used would be great. Closest city is Kansas City or Omaha
Nebraska.
Hope this helps cause I need the help myself.
Last edited by Steveinsene at Dec 12, 2011,
#8
My TH30 can do anything, and my band play everything. The only thing I'd suggest if you were to go for a Thunder is that although the shape knob on the OD channel is pretty versatile, it may be worth investing in an EQ pedal, it makes life easier.

EDIT: just read your other question. Even a 7.5 watt tube amp is pretty freaking loud. I play small club gigs on 7.5 watt mode with a 1x12 combo, so that may also be worth keeping in mind.
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#10
Look into the Jet City 20 watt head/cab or combo.
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#11
Thanks for the help, I'm all ears so if you have other suggestions thats great too. I suppose I should of added the H and K Tubemeister to the list also. How much gain do these have. Been watching tons of youtube examples of amps but they don't always tell the whole story.
#12
You might be interested in checking out the Engl e530 tube pre-amp ($600). It has an internal 1.5 Watt solid state power amplifier (although it does have a lot of white noise when you don't play, and you need a stereo cable to hook it up to a cab). I was also looking to buy an Engl and found that the general consensus was that there was no point in making a lunchbox low wattage amplifier with the e530 around.

I bought a Rocktron Velocity solid state power amp for the pre amp. It's arriving tomorrow, I'll let you know how it sounds compared to using my Peavey 6505+ power amp through the FX loop.

Here's a Youtube vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cIhGFmdarE&feature=related

It's a cool pre-amp, I haven't tried recording anything with impulses but it's on my list of things to do.
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#13
Found an Orange TH30 with a matching 2x12 cabinet for $1000 within 100 miles, just need to check it out and see how it sounds for a savings of $400 to $540 over new depending on if it is a open or closed back cab. Good Deal? Says it's never been out o the house and low hours. I have loved most videos I have seen of this amp but that does not mean much I suppose until I hear one in person. I've been researching and watching videos for days it seems, I'm consumed! I keep finding other options I did not know about, stuff such as Splawn. Wow sounds great on video but am I just getting carried away with myself, I mean I've never owned an amp over $500 and have the cash if it came to this. It was a alot simplier to decide these things 15 yrs ago with fewer choices and a way way smaller budget. Those Splawn Street Rods sound SWEEEEEET!
Last edited by Steveinsene at Dec 13, 2011,
#14
I'd probably go with the TH30. It probably won't get as brutal as the Recto, but after hearing Ola's clips of the Mini Recto, it does sound better than I thought it would (which wasn't a very high expectation to begin with), but I definitely wouldn't pay that much for one, when you can get a used 2 channel Recto for cheaper, that will demolish it in tone.

Rectos are already pretty loose, adding EL-84s into the mix is just silly. At least Orange has a lot of experience using EL-84s in their amps, and while I didn't like the original RV50 as much as the RV100, it was significantly better than what I expected it to be like with the EL-84 power section. I haven't tried the TH30, though, but I've heard some great things about it; whereas practically everyone I've heard from who's used the Mini Recto agrees that it's not worth the price.

Quote by jpatan
You do realize Dimebag used SS randall amps for pretty much all the early pantera albums, right?

Yeah, and his tone was horrid, even if it did fit the style.

Not saying SS amps can't sound great, but citing Dimebag to defend the tone of them is blasphemy
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#15
Hey! Welcome to UG.

Congrats on getting back into guitar. Hang out here for awhile and you can learn all kinds of things. Before I joined, I was complete noob. I knew nothing about the differences between a Solid State amp and a Tube amp or what tubes did what or what effects did what. I started out with a Fender FM212DSP SS amp.

I, like you, quickly realized that I would not be happy until I had a kick ass tube amp. I got a Valveking and modded it. Then a Splawn Quick Rod popped up on my Craigslist and I had to have it. I also recently picked up a Peavey Vypyr 60 for $315 used for messing around (Diezel setting).

Originally, I was against buying a used amp. Now, I probably will never buy a new amp again. I love searching through Craigslist as it keeps me in touch with what is out there on the used market. Due to the economy - there are tons of things out there to choose from. Therefore I present you with these:

Some of these I've played and some I have not. Funny that the Mini Rec was the first thing I saw Maybe someone else can comment on some of these (like MatrixClaw - he has a good handle on amps and the used market too). These are all amps I would consider.

http://kansascity.craigslist.org/msg/2751787053.html Mini Rec
http://kansascity.craigslist.org/msg/2748584664.html Fireball 60
http://kansascity.craigslist.org/msg/2724082864.html Alchemist
http://kansascity.craigslist.org/msg/2719753870.html Carvin V3
http://kansascity.craigslist.org/msg/2743254472.html Engl Screamer
http://kansascity.craigslist.org/msg/2710025384.html Spider Valve
http://kansascity.craigslist.org/msg/2739506376.html Hayden Peacemaker
http://kansascity.craigslist.org/msg/2738361038.html JSX
http://kansascity.craigslist.org/msg/2699261899.html Marshall TSL
http://kansascity.craigslist.org/msg/2686481057.html Marshall DSL
http://kansascity.craigslist.org/msg/2733365022.html Traynor YCS80
http://kansascity.craigslist.org/msg/2729413527.html 6505+ head
http://kansascity.craigslist.org/msg/2717902270.html Engl Thunder
http://kansascity.craigslist.org/msg/2689788780.html DSL
http://omaha.craigslist.org/msg/2748930497.html Krank Chadwick
http://omaha.craigslist.org/msg/2733613564.html Orange Thunder 30
http://omaha.craigslist.org/msg/2734297311.html Mesa Rectoverb
http://omaha.craigslist.org/msg/2712335596.html TSL
http://omaha.craigslist.org/msg/2729782791.html Mesa F50
http://omaha.craigslist.org/msg/2679672214.html Peavey XXX
http://omaha.craigslist.org/msg/2694488934.html B52 AT100
http://omaha.craigslist.org/msg/2683350529.html Orange AD30
http://omaha.craigslist.org/msg/2679547044.html JMP 100 Super Lead

I've played the Fireball, Alchemist, Spider Valve, JSX, TSLs, DSLs, 6505+, Traynor, XXX, B52, Orange AD and Rockerverb, and lots of other Marshalls.

What will work best for you is mainly preference. I'd go to the stores and call some of these people and play as many amps as you can. There is no substitute for playing yourself. You can also hit up some of the online gear forum classifieds like UG, Rig-Talk, Harmony Central, etc. Keep asking questions.

That Mesa Rectoverb is awefully appealing. I'd contact that person for sure. I really liked the Fireball, JSX, Traynor, 6505+, B52 and Orange AD30. My least favorites would be the Spider Valve, DSL/TSLs, mainly due to perceived build quality and quirkiness. Check out the Carvin V3 as I've heard really good things about them.

The Splawns are a whole other ball game. New - they are kind of pricey but used they are very affordable imo. You can get a used Quick Rod starting at $1,000. You'll need a cab with some of the amps I've listed and we can help you with that too. The Street Rod is new and the first combo offered by Splawn. Guys that have them love them.

I personally like the head/212 cab option but combos have their benefits too.

There are other amps I (we) can recommend as well. If you up your budget let us know. The 'What Amp' sticky is a good format because it gives us the 5 things we need to help you. One of the things you can start to narrow in on is whether or not you want a British type tone (Marshall, Orange, Laney) or an American type tone (Fender/Peavey/Mesa) and whether or not you want more vintage tones or modern tones. You've got a good start. Play as many amps as you can, listen to clips and ask questions. There are tons of clips on www.netmusicians.org (tone finder now).

Good luck!


tl;dr - get a used amp and hang out in GGnA for a bit


Also look at an Egnater Renegade. I see them used in the $650 - $750 range
Last edited by 311ZOSOVHJH at Dec 14, 2011,
#16
311 thanks for all your input that made my morning. I'd seen most but not all of those CL adds you posted but thanks a bunch for posting them all up, makes it a ton easier for me to study them, I'm not that internet savy and efficient in my search. How do you like your splawn? I'm digging the vyper 60 more as I've had it less than 2 weeks and honestly don't think the speakers were broken in until just recently and there is more to dialing in the sound than I had initially thought.
#17
^ no problem

when you go to your craigslist type in 'amp' and then '$500' to '$1500' or whatever. that will help narrow your search down.

splawn is epic. angry and mean yet smooth and refined. lots of tonal options. articulate and punchy

vypyr 60 is a lot of fun. I like the Diezel model with no effects bass on 10am, mids 2pm, treb 2pm, pregain 3pm, post gain. 12 noon. master 10am