Poll: Is Suicide Selfish?
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View poll results: Is Suicide Selfish?
Yes
113 42%
No
113 42%
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40 15%
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#1
I think enough suicidal threads have sparked this thread to come about. If it's already around then... forgiveness please.

So is suicide selfish? I for one think yes most definitely.

Others do discuss..

EDIT:

The day i start seeing starving kids in Africa killing themselves then i'll think otherwise about suicide. First world problems are not problems. Nuff said. I would go on to talk about euthunasia but that's a very different topic.
Last edited by vayne92 at Dec 12, 2011,
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#5
I kinda think it is........ aaargh it's to hard to explain.
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#7
I think we should help out, not pass judgement.
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#9
Quote by JustRooster
Why do you say that?

'Cuz people who say it's selfish generally have no understanding of the complexity of the issue. Vilifying people in such a deep depression is an ignorant and assholey thing to do.
#12
It's not vilifying unless you think selfishness is a "bad" trait.

It's totally selfish, and so what? It's their life to with what they wish.
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'Cuz people who say it's selfish generally have no understanding of the complexity of the issue. Vilifying people in such a deep depression is an ignorant and assholey thing to do.


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It's not vilifying unless you think selfishness is a "bad" trait.

It's totally selfish, and so what? It's their life to with what they wish.



Took the words right out of my mouth. I've had more than a few encounters with different suicide situations and I still feel this way.
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#15
in a way
its as selfish as me eating this snickers bar or jerkin it to some porn

most of your decisions that impact you tend to be selfish if they dont help anyone.

would Hitlers suicide be considered selfish?
#16
Quote by kaptkegan
One of my best friends' dads committed suicide years ago, and you can say that it isn't selfish until you see what it puts the living victims through. Then its pretty hard to think otherwise.

But I think you need to separate the action from the intentions. Actions themselves really can't be selfish, they can only be performed for selfish reasons, that is for one's own gain or enjoyment. Suicide really doesn't achieve either of those. It certainly doesn't put the effects on others as the determinate factor, but that seems like a somewhat irrational level to set selfishness at.

Not to mention that when people attempt suicide they typically aren't thinking all too rationally. To hold them to such a concrete standard seems to have little regard for the circumstances these actions happen under.
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#17
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would Hitlers suicide be considered selfish?


I am definitely starting to think i should've added a 'depends on the circumstances' option.

Hitler suicided because he realised he was going to lose the war which obviously meant he was going to face life imprisonment, but most likely be killed by allied forces anyways. How the hell did Hitler come into this hahahaa. Hitler's suicide was a very very different suicide. I mean he was the reason behind world war 2...
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#18
No. It seems more selfish to want people alive when they don't want to be and vilify them when they do finally snuff it.
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#19
His suicide was selfish, and so are all other suicides. I understand the circumstances etc. But at the end of the day taking your life is selfish, it's a choice that has only your interest at heart.
#20
Probably doesn't matter to the dude that offed himself what you think of it.

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#21
Quote by vayne92
I am definitely starting to think i should've added a 'depends on the circumstances' option.

Hitler suicided because he realised he was going to lose the war which obviously meant he was going to face life imprisonment, but most likely be killed by allied forces anyways. How the hell did Hitler come into this hahahaa. Hitler's suicide was a very very different suicide. I mean he was the reason behind world war 2...


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#22
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Hitler spices up conversations

you can throw him into any discussion to make it more fun

It's always interesting to see how long a debate can go before Nazis are mentioned. They count as a universal standard of evil. They always will be mentioned, somehow tied to the other debater.

It seems like arguing that suicide is selfish depends on the assumption that it is actually worthwhile. I think most people attempting it don't really look at it that way.
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#23
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No. It seems more selfish to want people alive when they don't want to be and vilify them when they do finally snuff it.


I'm still undecided, but I'm kind of wondering the same thing
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#24
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His suicide was selfish, and so are all other suicides. I understand the circumstances etc. But at the end of the day taking your life is selfish, it's a choice that has only your interest at heart.


Nah, **** that.

These people are in such a deep depression that they don't believe their life is worth living. In fact, at least some do it because in their minds it would improve the lives of those around them.

People committing suicide are of no mental state for you to judge their actions as they simply aren't thinking about them logically. They certainly aren't doing it selfishly, screaming "**** you, kids" before they hang themselves even if they were thinking logically.

Those of you that think it's selfish must have no clue how badly depression can affect someone. I know some ****er will be like "herp, my br0 haz depression so i kn0w derp". Even if he did, you clearly paid no real attention to how he was acting.
#25
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But I think you need to separate the action from the intentions. Actions themselves really can't be selfish, they can only be performed for selfish reasons, that is for one's own gain or enjoyment. Suicide really doesn't achieve either of those. It certainly doesn't put the effects on others as the determinate factor, but that seems like a somewhat irrational level to set selfishness at.

Not to mention that when people attempt suicide they typically aren't thinking all too rationally. To hold them to such a concrete standard seems to have little regard for the circumstances these actions happen under.

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#26
Quote by willT08
Nah, **** that.

These people are in such a deep depression that they don't believe their life is worth living. In fact, at least some do it because in their minds it would improve the lives of those around them.

People committing suicide are of no mental state for you to judge their actions as they simply aren't thinking about them logically. They certainly aren't doing it selfishly, screaming "**** you, kids" before they hang themselves even if they were thinking logically.

Those of you that think it's selfish must have no clue how badly depression can affect someone. I know some ****er will be like "herp, my br0 haz depression so i kn0w derp". Even if he did, you clearly paid no real attention to how he was acting.


I didn't say it was logically. I didn't say they where rational either. Selfish is "devoted to or caring only for oneself; concerned primarily with one's own interests, benefits, welfare, etc., regardless of others."

Your word contradict your point. They don't believe their life is worth living so they take their life. That is acting in your interest. Everyone starts tying so much emotional weight to it. Fact is.

If I believe that my job is horrible, I quit. That is selfish. It's acting in my own interest without taking into consideration how it affects others.

If I believe my life is horrible, so I "quit". There is no difference. Except one has much more emotional context.
#28
I think you should be in total control over your life, and I don't see wanting to end it as selfish.
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#29
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I didn't say it was logically. I didn't say they where rational either. Selfish is "devoted to or caring only for oneself; concerned primarily with one's own interests, benefits, welfare, etc., regardless of others."

Your word contradict your point. They don't believe their life is worth living so they take their life. That is acting in your interest. Everyone starts tying so much emotional weight to it. Fact is.

If I believe that my job is horrible, I quit. That is selfish. It's acting in my own interest without taking into consideration how it affects others.

If I believe my life is horrible, so I "quit". There is no difference. Except one has much more emotional context.

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#30
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Yes, but is it anyone else's business to judge you?


Whose judging? Again, adding emotional context to words. The act is selfish, by definition. I didn't say this made someone a bad person, or a good person, i just said it makes them at the very least a somewhat selfish person.
#31
Quote by Nirvana_RATM2
Whose judging? Again, adding emotional context to words. The act is selfish, by definition. I didn't say this made someone a bad person, or a good person, i just said it makes them at the very least a somewhat selfish person.

I wasn't implying that you said it, just proving a point.
#34
No. Ultimately if you suffered so much you couldn't handle living anymore, the effect your death may have on anyone is not going to equate to the pain you suffered.
#35
I'm on the fence about this one, but I'll go with no. If somebody is in that deep of a depression, it's hard to see any other way sometimes. They have the right to take their life. It does however usually deeply hurt the people close to them and I think that needs to be considered, however if the person committing suicide is in an extreme amount of pain, I don't think their actions need to be justified.

This thread is going to turn into a shitstorm soon. It always does when suicide is involved.
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#37
it's only selfish if there are people who care about you. if there are none then it's justified. amidionitrite?
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#38
It's 100% selfish, and there's no way around that, but it's not inherently negative just because it's selfish.
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#39
Unless you are actually thinking straight, I don't think a term like 'selfish' really applies here. People who attempt suicide will most likely be in a deep depression, where the thought of ending ones life might actually be something you see as the best for everyone. You wouldn't have to hassle anyone else with your depression etc.

But directly saying a depressed person is acting selfishly is just pure ignorance..
#40
Tell a suicidial person they're being selfish, see how much better it makes them feel.

But seriously, it is a fiddy-fiddy deal for me. It's selfish because you're not considering others who would feel terrible about your death (especially parents, who spent their lives raising you), yet it's also selfish to force someone to live a life they do not want to live.
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