#1
So I was sitting down today listening to music when I realized something. Why is it, especially to listeners of pop, rap and more popular types of music, that a song can get ''too old''.?

For example, some dude's ringtone went off by accident today and it was that Soulja Boy song and some guy said ''wow you still listen to that? That's so old!'' and a few people started laughing. Why is this? IIRC, that song is about 3 or 4 years old or something. How does any music get ''too old''? I listen to the Beatles for example, and their music is half a century old already why does this matter?

Oh and, im not trying to sound elitist or anything, but i've found this to only happen to listeners of more popular types of music. I've never kicked back listening to Swamp Song by Tool with somebody and them telling me ''omg that's so old, you still listen to that?''
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#2
Because that's what pop is. Popular music. Once it's 4 years old it doesn't tend to be popular and in the charts anymore, therefore not "cool" to these retards.
#3
Because the enjoyment of pop and other simpler forms of music is because our brain releases a feel-good chemical when it is able to predict what is coming next. Thus, the appeal of these kinds of songs diminishes when we become too familiar with them.
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#4
Because with music of "popular" genres doesn't have much substance, so it's always about the new thing. Whereas, songs that we might listen to, have so much raw energy or emotion, whatever it may be, that in a sense, makes it timeless.

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#6
StewieSwan pretty much nailed it, plus the song apparently loses it's appeal once it ages. This is how you can tell what song has staying power. (Le duh)
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To talk about your example, the Undertow album has significantly lower production value than Tool's later albums, and the production style was very "grunge", which was extremely popular at the time the album was made.

Compared to their last two albums, made in the 2000's and after the rise of digital audio production in studios, both Aenema and Undertow have a very "90's" sound, one that has lost favor with artists and producers in our times, and has become a thing of the past. It sounds "old".
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Mainstream music is 99% trends, They laughed for him because he didint follow the latest trend.


No, they laughed because Soulja Boy is terrible.
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Because that's what pop is. Popular music. Once it's 4 years old it doesn't tend to be popular and in the charts anymore, therefore not "cool" to these retards.


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To talk about your example, the Undertow album has significantly lower production value than Tool's later albums, and the production style was very "grunge", which was extremely popular at the time the album was made.

Compared to their last two albums, made in the 2000's and after the rise of digital audio production in studios, both Aenema and Undertow have a very "90's" sound, one that has lost favor with artists and producers in our times, and has become a thing of the past. It sounds "old".

I understand it sounds old, but when I listen to Tool with a pal of mine, he doesn't laugh because the song is old. We both agree the song is good, and keep on jamming out. This doesn't appear to be the case with listeners of more popular music i've noticed. I've always wondered why.
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Quote by StewieSwan
Because the enjoyment of pop and other simpler forms of music is because our brain releases a feel-good chemical when it is able to predict what is coming next. Thus, the appeal of these kinds of songs diminishes when we become too familiar with them.

I read an article on this not long ago. Made me wonder if the same phenomena is responsible for someone liking a song or album more after repeated listens and becoming more familiar with it.
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I read an article on this not long ago. Made me wonder if the same phenomena is responsible for someone liking a song or album more after repeated listens and becoming more familiar with it.



It sure is.
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#13
Last year we were skiing in Italy and we were forced to listen to such music everywhere they could fit a speaker. Once Hot n Cold could be heard, and I heard someone complaining that this song is 2 years old already.

I'm not sure why do they do this, but the same goes for most of the trends, e.g. the width of iPhones.
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#14
Swamp Song wasn't played with astounding intensity on the radio for a few months straight so people (or you) didn't get tired of it. It hasn't necessarily got so much to do with aging as it has to do with simply being fed up with the goddamn song.
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#15
I get bored of songs easily, if I love a song i'll listen to it non-stop for like 2 weeks then never listen to it again ever
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Because the enjoyment of pop and other simpler forms of music is because our brain releases a feel-good chemical when it is able to predict what is coming next. Thus, the appeal of these kinds of songs diminishes when we become too familiar with them.

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#17
the simpler a song is, the more likely you will initially find it catchy, and the faster you will get tired of it.
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Because the enjoyment of pop and other simpler forms of music is because our brain releases a feel-good chemical when it is able to predict what is coming next. Thus, the appeal of these kinds of songs diminishes when we become too familiar with them.


Source?
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I see your source, and raise you a biased and woefully hypocritical and ignorant rant criticizing people for listening to simple music.



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#24
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Because that's what pop is. Popular music. Once it's 4 years old it doesn't tend to be popular and in the charts anymore, therefore not "cool" to these retards.

This^^

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Because the enjoyment of pop and other simpler forms of music is because our brain releases a feel-good chemical when it is able to predict what is coming next. Thus, the appeal of these kinds of songs diminishes when we become too familiar with them.

And this^^
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#25
Because typically, a lot of people have a very short attention span when it comes to music. That's why almost nothing that was on the radio five years ago still is.

This, by the way, doesn't mean pop music is bad. Sinatra was a god among men.
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Swamp Song wasn't played with astounding intensity on the radio for a few months straight so people (or you) didn't get tired of it. It hasn't necessarily got so much to do with aging as it has to do with simply being fed up with the goddamn song.

I've listening to that song a billion times already.

I've listened to Freak on a Leash by Korn since it came out in 1998 over a billion ****ing times, and i've not grown tired of it

It's just odd.
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#27
It's because these people tend to be stupid. Who cares what your ringtone is ? In this world of liberty and many freedoms, nobody should care what someones ringtone is.

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Ta muchly. I'd not heard of that study before, though thinking about it it does make sense.
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Because the enjoyment of pop and other simpler forms of music is because our brain releases a feel-good chemical when it is able to predict what is coming next. Thus, the appeal of these kinds of songs diminishes when we become too familiar with them.

that was such a cliche metal head response. so you are saying that a britany spears fan would not like btbam? i hate being able to predict what is oming next in my song, unless it somehow fits my other musical must haves in a song. is there any research done that will explain this chemical release idea you brought up? because i would say i half weay agree with you. but i have counter examples, like the first time you hear a song, i usually like it, im not one that needs many listens to enjoy it. but id like to hear some truth behind this


edit: i would like another souce with more info, that looked like a middle schooler did it for a schoool project, giving no actual info and only summarizing shit. thaT WAS a shit article, but im still very interested
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#31
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that was such a cliche metal head response.






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i hate being able to predict what is oming next in my song, unless it somehow fits my other musical must haves in a song.


Maybe consciously, but whether you like it or not, your brain likes Lady GaGa.

is there any research done that will explain this chemical release idea you brought up?


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#32
because shitty music doesn't hold up. ask MC Hammer
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#33
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Because the enjoyment of pop and other simpler forms of music is because our brain releases a feel-good chemical when it is able to predict what is coming next. Thus, the appeal of these kinds of songs diminishes when we become too familiar with them.

+1.

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that was such a cliche metal head response. so you are saying that a britany spears fan would not like btbam? i hate being able to predict what is oming next in my song, unless it somehow fits my other musical must haves in a song. is there any research done that will explain this chemical release idea you brought up? because i would say i half weay agree with you. but i have counter examples, like the first time you hear a song, i usually like it, im not one that needs many listens to enjoy it. but id like to hear some truth behind this


edit: i would like another souce with more info, that looked like a middle schooler did it for a schoool project, giving no actual info and only summarizing shit. thaT WAS a shit article, but im still very interested



http://tauruspet.med.yale.edu/staff/edm42/papers/journal-club/Salimpoor-nn.pdf

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