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can i get all my random questions answered in here? i have lots but i hate making a new thread every time i have a question
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Sure! Go for it
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sweet, lets see if this works....

is it possible to use too much acoustic treatment in a small mixing space. i have a small non square shaped room with semi high slanted ceilings and my mixes don't translate real well, i'm not the best mixer in the world but my mixes are waaaay off. i know i need more treatment and bass traps but can i use "too much" ?
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sweet, lets see if this works....

is it possible to use too much acoustic treatment in a small mixing space. i have a small non square shaped room with semi high slanted ceilings and my mixes don't translate real well, i'm not the best mixer in the world but my mixes are waaaay off. i know i need more treatment and bass traps but can i use "too much" ?


Yes it is possible to have too much, just start by treat the point of first reflection on the walls and ceiling then bass trap all the corners and see how that sounds!
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Quote by z4twenny
sweet, lets see if this works....

is it possible to use too much acoustic treatment in a small mixing space. i have a small non square shaped room with semi high slanted ceilings and my mixes don't translate real well, i'm not the best mixer in the world but my mixes are waaaay off. i know i need more treatment and bass traps but can i use "too much" ?

I'm sure it's possible in the realm of professional studios who have people they're hiring to do the treatment for them, but it's going to be more difficult (if you're doing it correctly) to overdo it in your home.

Some people tend to think a room that's super "dead" sounding is "too much," while others may prefer it. It's really up to you to decide, but in a small room with more than just a mixing desk and some seating, it's impossible to treat the lowend as well as they could in a professional studio, built with the purpose in mind.

My first reaction to your statement of your mixes translating very poorly would be: "What are you mixing on (ie: Monitors? Headphones? What brand? What model?)?"

If you're using improper gear to monitor your mixes, that could certain be one problem. You inexperience in learning your monitor device is the second. Treatment sure does help a lot, but even with it, you need to have the experience with your gear to produce good results.

Do you have an example of one of your mixes?

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The thing of it is, absolutely no one will listen to any of your mixes in a completely dead room. So why would you mix in that environment?
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The thing of it is, absolutely no one will listen to any of your mixes in a completely dead room. So why would you mix in that environment?



True enough. But even then, you're going to have to tear down walls and flooring to even get a room to that point.

Assuming he means just hanging rigid fiberglass on the walls and bass traps in the corners, there's little to no probability that his room is going to be completely dead.
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True enough. But even then, you're going to have to tear down walls and flooring to even get a room to that point.

Assuming he means just hanging rigid fiberglass on the walls and bass traps in the corners, there's little to no probability that his room is going to be completely dead.


What you need is one of these, perfect mixes every time then!

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What you need is one of these, perfect mixes every time then!

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Holy ****.

That looks intense!
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@ matrixclaw - cold air and expidu on my profile were mixed on my rig, i have a set of mackies and a krk sub. the sub sits under my desk and i usually put my foot on it to feel the bass. the thing is they're kinda "ok-ish" mixes but i put way too much effort into them to get ok mixes y'know? i basically ended up testing the mixes on a couple sets of speakers (nice livingroom stereo and several car stereos in addition to 2 sets of headphones i use when recording) and used reference notes from those speakers to adjust different eq properties, i honestly know that my room needs more treatment but i'm kinda torn on how much i should use and i know that super super flat / dead enviroments don't make for great translations either.

and yes, basically i used an auralux room treatment kit (the roominator) and a bunch of lenrd bass traps in the corner (they're not stacked up to the ceiling arc but they need to be)

basically i think i need another roominator kit and more bass traps. i can look at the room and see where frequencies most likely build up and you can hear a drastic eq sweep as you walk around the room while a song is playing. i understand the sound is going to be different in relation to you and the speakers but i mean its any where from so sub heavy its hard to hear the highs to sounding "perfect".... but it's not which is why im here

and yes, if i could make one of those in my house i would in a heartbeat, but i have a feeling i'd have to pull off a oceans 13 style heist to fund its construction.
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Quote by z4twenny

and yes, basically i used an auralux room treatment kit (the roominator) and a bunch of lenrd bass traps in the corner (they're not stacked up to the ceiling arc but they need to be)


There are two approaches: use your ears and do it a little at a time, listen each time you put more up to see what effects the new treatment is having.

OR go scientific and get a hold of a measurement mic, then there a bunch of programs that will run sine sweeps through your monitor and record and analyze the results, then you can target specific problem areas with additional treatment to even out the spectrum analysis.
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I actually have a measurement mic (i bought a arc system measurement kit) but i couldn't get it to run on a previous windows install, i recently reinstalled a different version of windows on a different hardware configuration and have been meaning to see if it will run on my new hardware. i really want to get my room close to balanced before doing that as it does have corrective eq'ing but i'd much rather have to use as little of that as possibe.

edit : i get what you mean, use the mic to determine reflective areas and treat those, gotcha.
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I actually have a measurement mic (i bought a arc system measurement kit) but i couldn't get it to run on a previous windows install, i recently reinstalled a different version of windows on a different hardware configuration and have been meaning to see if it will run on my new hardware. i really want to get my room close to balanced before doing that as it does have corrective eq'ing but i'd much rather have to use as little of that as possibe.


Just use the microphone from the arc kit with a program like: http://www.hometheatershack.com/roomeq/

Then at least you have an idea of what your room is like!
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Derek is actually a douchebag. not God. but. to each his own.


so this is the WTLTL for the recording forum?
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so this is the WTLTL for the recording forum?


So it would seem!

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so this is the WTLTL for the recording forum?

Thanks Brett you too

Sure, except we're cooler, obviously. *Looks around suspiciously since he's a mod in GG&A too*


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I've got a question for you guys, then. I'm trying to cover Mr. Big's Addicted to That Rush, for the Pit's Calling All Musicians V6.0, where the deadline is December 25 to learn a new song. Anyway, my plan is only to do the guitar part, if I can get my hands on a bass (which probably won't happen), I may try to record that as well. Until then, I'm relying on MIDI, specifically from GP files. I've exported the MIDI, and then imported it into Sonar. It all came through fine, except that the bass is WAY too loud. I can adjust the volume for the drums to accommodate my somewhat low guitar volume (compared to the MIDI volume, which is very loud), and the guitar part as well (even though I won't be using it). When I try to change the bass volume, nothing happens, even on zero. I can still mute the track, but I need it, and it's way too loud. Does anybody know what's wrong, how to fix it, things like that? Any help would be appreciated.

Tl:dr Imported MIDI bass is too loud, and I can't adjust the volume for it.
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^So you're importing an actual MIDI file and not the RSE audio from Guitar Pro? I'm assuming you're running some kind of VST instrument on the track then, otherwise, I'm confused as to how you're getting any sound in the first place?

My guess would be, the bass is probably automated for volume on the MIDI track, and it's overriding your fader on the track. You might have to edit the MIDI file to change this. If you don't know how to do it, upload the file to Dropbox or something and I'll take a look
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^So you're importing an actual MIDI file and not the RSE audio from Guitar Pro? I'm assuming you're running some kind of VST instrument on the track then, otherwise, I'm confused as to how you're getting any sound in the first place?

My guess would be, the bass is probably automated for volume on the MIDI track, and it's overriding your fader on the track. You might have to edit the MIDI file to change this. If you don't know how to do it, upload the file to Dropbox or something and I'll take a look



Well, I'm using Tuxguitar, no RSE. When I import the MIDI to Sonar, it gives each MIDI track it's own Sonar MIDI track. It doesn't exactly sound good, slightly better than Tuxguitar, but I think I can give each track one of Sonar's studio instruments, like the drum kit and a bass, so I'll try that to get a better sound out of it (I know they sound pretty good). I'll try adjusting the volume in the original file and see if that changes anything and come back with the results.

EDIT: Yeah, I just found out I have no idea how to adjust the original file .

This is the file I'm using.
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P.P.S Packing up all the epic recording gear I've had the past few weeks to ship to Russia. Sad day

Shit that reminds me I was suppose to upload that song without the drums for you...damn finals week...
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Well, I'm using Tuxguitar, no RSE. When I import the MIDI to Sonar, it gives each MIDI track it's own Sonar MIDI track. It doesn't exactly sound good, slightly better than Tuxguitar, but I think I can give each track one of Sonar's studio instruments, like the drum kit and a bass, so I'll try that to get a better sound out of it (I know they sound pretty good). I'll try adjusting the volume in the original file and see if that changes anything and come back with the results.

EDIT: Yeah, I just found out I have no idea how to adjust the original file .

This is the file I'm using.

Hmm, I don't see any issues in the MIDI file, but I exported some bass and drums for you real quick:

http://min.us/mblIjZ6aEy

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Hmm, I don't see any issues in the MIDI file, but I exported some bass and drums for you real quick:

http://min.us/mblIjZ6aEy





Awesome. I have a really slow internet connection (I've never seen it past 60 kbps, it averages 25 with nothing else going), so it'll be quite a while to get that downloaded. I will be back in the 46 minutes or so it says it needs to download in. Thanks a lot for it, either way.
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Awesome. I have a really slow internet connection (I've never seen it past 60 kbps, it averages 25 with nothing else going), so it'll be quite a while to get that downloaded. I will be back in the 46 minutes or so it says it needs to download in. Thanks a lot for it, either way.



No problem! I didn't edit the MIDI at all to make the drums sound more humanized, but I'm sure the general sounds are better than what's built into Sonar.
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No problem! I didn't edit the MIDI at all to make the drums sound more humanized, but I'm sure the general sounds are better than what's built into Sonar.



Ok, now I'm really getting kind of irritated. After waiting forever for it to download, I find out the software I'm using to extract the files can't extract them. All it says it that it can't open the archive or something. I'm using 7-zip, if you know of any solutions. Maybe this is a sign I should really stop using so much freeware.
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Ok, now I'm really getting kind of irritated. After waiting forever for it to download, I find out the software I'm using to extract the files can't extract them. All it says it that it can't open the archive or something. I'm using 7-zip, if you know of any solutions. Maybe this is a sign I should really stop using so much freeware.

That's weird, 7-zip should work just fine.

Try WinRAR, that's what I always use.
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That's weird, 7-zip should work just fine.

Try WinRAR, that's what I always use.



Will do. I'll have to download it later when my mom gets home from work, since she has administrator privileges on this computer. Hopefully this will finally work, you've been a lot of help. I'm glad this thread got started, it's proven to be quite useful.
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Will do. I'll have to download it later when my mom gets home from work, since she has administrator privileges on this computer. Hopefully this will finally work, you've been a lot of help. I'm glad this thread got started, it's proven to be quite useful.

No problemo, glad I could help


On another topic... Not usually a huge fan of quilts in comparison to flames, but this thing is hothothot!

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Very nice. I'm alwyas a big fan of quilted or flamed guitars, that's a particularly nice example

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Very nice. I'm alwyas a big fan of quilted or flamed guitars, that's a particularly nice example

Yeah, not to say I don't like quilts, but I find it's easier to find a really nice looking quilt than it is to find a really complex flame top. This is definitely an exception. That blue is stunning!
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Definitely agree on the stunning thing - don't know what it is about blue, but I always think it brings out the flame/quite better than other colours. Maybe it's just because they're a bit less common than the usual LP colours?

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i think a well done blue or deep green can really bring out the wood pattern really well. ive never thought red looks as good though
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i think a well done blue or deep green can really bring out the wood pattern really well. ive never thought red looks as good though

Yeah. Blue and Green aren't as common on guitars.

I'd love to see a really nice green or blue flame on some higher end guitars, but really the only ones I've seen them on are ESPs. There was this Carvin I saw a few years ago with a Purple quilt top, absolutely beautiful!

I was going to get my custom guitar with a dark pink flame top on it, but he wanted $350 extra for the finish. Screw that!
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Yeah. Blue and Green aren't as common on guitars.

I'd love to see a really nice green or blue flame on some higher end guitars, but really the only ones I've seen them on are ESPs. There was this Carvin I saw a few years ago with a Purple quilt top, absolutely beautiful!

I was going to get my custom guitar with a dark pink flame top on it, but he wanted $350 extra for the finish. Screw that!


You sure your not a pink flame?
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I hate vocal riding
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You automating that all with a mouse?
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So I downloaded WinRAR and tried unzipping the file. I eventually got to where in the WinRAR program, I see the two files: MrBigBass.wav and MrBigDrums.wav. When I try to do anything with these, it pops up with an error saying something like the archive is in unknown format or is damaged. Should I try to redownload your file or is there another solution?
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^That's odd. I just downloaded it from my link onto another computer and it works completely fine for me. I'd try downloading again, maybe it got corrupt on download or something, I have no idea
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