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Hello GG&A. Tomorrow (weather permitting), my first REAL build will be started (I put together a mostly Warmoth parts-Rhoads before and it turned out great). I have the help of my dad (generally knowledgeable, at least when it comes to putting stuff together and my grandpa, who is luckily a master carpenter.

Here's how it is: I have the plans printed out, full size. I have the wood, everything else arrives Monday. This guitar will mainly be for old people music and alternative (the sounds from the songs Something Else by Eddie Cochran and Next Year by Foo Fighters are what I'm going for).

Body: Pine (It's what I can afford, and older Fenders used them so I figured "Why not?")
Neck, hardware, etc: Off an old guitar I bought to rip the parts out of. Here it is (yes, I acquired it for MUCH lower than the price on that tag):
Pickups: Guitarheads Alnico Supremes.

It will be HxH, two volume, two tone with switches instead of push-pull pots. Black and chrome with white pickguard (if you care about aesthetics).

Essentially, THIS will be close (but with humbuckers, and I'll have two more switches to be cool):

If you wanna know anything else or suggest something, feel free to ask or tell.

IF YOU WANT TO OFFER ADVICE, IT IS MOST DEFINITELY WELCOME!!! (help stop this from just being a waste of money, it won't be perfect but I want playable. The sub-par hardware will be upgraded in the future should this guitar be loved enough).
Last edited by Wisthekiller at Dec 18, 2011,
#2
Be prepared to use filler on your pine. It's a bastard for dings. So unless you're REALLY careful with it, it'll be dented quite a bit by the time you come to finishing. It'll end up very light as well.
#3
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Be prepared to use filler on your pine. It's a bastard for dings. So unless you're REALLY careful with it, it'll be dented quite a bit by the time you come to finishing. It'll end up very light as well.


PLENTY of filler here already and light is fine with me
#6
Shame. I have to double post and keep this bumped. Oh well, here's clamps!



And trying to dye with oil based paint. Any better tips on getting a black finish without spraying? The second one down, if I clean it up would be bearable, but I'd prefer a solid finish.

#7
Looks cool man, you don't see many pine gibson shapes. As far as getting a nice color finish, what do you have against spraying? Good luck with your work and keep posting!
#8
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Looks cool man, you don't see many pine gibson shapes. As far as getting a nice color finish, what do you have against spraying? Good luck with your work and keep posting!


The only thing I have against spraying is my location. In Florida, where it's always either humid or too cold to spray (and that's not an exaggeration, that's all there is). So no paint has ever laid down evenly. I've tried different thicknesses of paints, different amounts of paint per layer, different volumes and pressures, etc, it just has never worked the way I wanted it to.
Last edited by Wisthekiller at Dec 18, 2011,
#9
If you could get some black wood stain I reckon you could get a pretty cool finish.
It obviously wouldn't be a solid black, but presonally I think it would look great
#11
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I'll run to the store to try to get some today.

Try it out on some scrap first to see if you like it! I don't want to be blamed if you don't

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what's that about?!?! can't wait to see this one done! *sticked*

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#18
Pine firebird FTW!!! Just be sure to get some heavy pickups, since it may get a thinner sound with the pine wood *points at telecaster made out of pine* But may still be ok even like that so yeah, go with the hot Rodded set? I'm a little bit of a sucker for Seymour since most of my favorite artists (or rather just about all of them) uses Seymour.
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#20
Hey wist, that pine looks nice, A black stain finish would look good I reckon.
I must ask why you plan on making the back front separately?
It is certainly possible, I did it with my current thinline build, each piece was hollowed out then sandwiched together, I had some slight trouble as my pieces weren't evenly thicknessed though.

Basically what I'm saying is it would be a good idea not to cut both of them to size, like leave the back rough cut then glue, and then use a follower bit in ya router to get the back to the same size. It gives you some room for slippage when glueing.

As to finishes, you can use a oil finish over the stain, it'll have a textured feel/ look to it, which is quite cool, or if you wan't something harder wearing you could try a french polish which is shellac thats hand rubbed onto the wood layer after layer to build up a glossy finish.

edit: make sure not to use alcohol based dyes with shellac, it doesn't like alcohol at all apparently.
Last edited by GandalfWh1te at Dec 26, 2011,
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To Gandalf: The separate back and front are just for ease to make. That's really all there is to it. And as far as getting the pieces right goes, what I planned to do (and started until the router messed up) was screwing the pieces of wood together (in places that it wouldn't affect the build) and using a jigsaw to cut it to a rough general shape, route the wire paths on the front of the back piece, and glue everything together using the screws to keep it all lined up, then use the belt sander to get the whole thing down to the same shape, then route the cavities.

Ordered some REALLY light grit sandpaper and some nitro funstuffs to try to do the finish I want (gloss black) instead of settling for dyes.
#22
Ready for jig-sawing. The screws are in the pup cavities so the boards don't slip, and because that area will be routed out anyways. The boards are misaligned for more secure joints.


Rough cut. Plan was to unscrew, route the wire-paths, then glue.



...



The router's collet let the bit slip and wobble. It straightened out once it went through the entire board.



Got a new board. Poplar this time. Since it's a string-through, the poplar may help offset a TINY bit of the brightness (if it does at all). I dunno. Felt like using poplar. Deal with it.



Got my router fixed, will jig the new board tomorrow and try to not mess up the routing again tomorrow.
#23
Do you have any pdf (or other format) blue prints for a firebird that you could shear with me? I'm planing on building one sometime in the future.
#25
Ok, looks like a solid design. router slips suck, I don't trust collets anymore, had the same thing happen. I resort to my smaller 1/4in chuck router if I have to use a 1/4in router bit. Be thankful you're router decided not to throw the router bit at you; I imagine it would take some stopping.

Yo da you still working on you're tele?
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Yo da you still working on you're tele?


I am, I've been a bit slack on it though. I've been trying to find somewhere that sells nitro in NZ to finish it, but the only place I found stoped stocking it. If you know of anywhere give me a PM, it would be appreciated I should be starting to work on it again soon though.

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I do. I have no idea how to get it to you though.


If I sent you a PM with my email address, do you think you could send it as an attachment?

Btw, I'm looking forward to see how this build turns out. Is that neck a bolt on or a set neck?
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I am, I've been a bit slack on it though. I've been trying to find somewhere that sells nitro in NZ to finish it, but the only place I found stoped stocking it. If you know of anywhere give me a PM, it would be appreciated I should be starting to work on it again soon though.


If I sent you a PM with my email address, do you think you could send it as an attachment?

Btw, I'm looking forward to see how this build turns out. Is that neck a bolt on or a set neck?


Of course I could. And I could make it either way, but am going to do bolt on out of preference.


The pickups are ordered. Got a Jazz for the neck, and got a Dimarzio PAF 36 to put in the neck of my Les Paul so I can get the JB out of that. (the JB is currently my Les Paul's neck pickup for some reason)
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Isn't poplar like, a super light wood? As in light-weight?? :s
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#33
I didn't forget you guys. Just been busy. Now...








If you are wondering, the holes in the middle are screws to help it hold together in the middle. The holes will be covered by a very thin board going down the middle, (aesthetically, though not structurally) like a real Firebird.
#34
attack of the fucking clamps lookin good so far mang
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#35
A tip for next time, put the screw holes were the pickups will be so that they will be routed out any way. Thats how most people do it. But it should be fine if its going to be coverd. Maybe fill them before you cover them though.
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attack of the fucking clamps lookin good so far mang



No kidding...looks like something you'd see a redneck do.

You my friend, have some of the worst luck with a router that I've seen yet...but it made for good lolz. Interesting build, will be following.
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Quote by da_
A tip for next time, put the screw holes were the pickups will be so that they will be routed out any way. Thats how most people do it. But it should be fine if its going to be coverd. Maybe fill them before you cover them though.


That was the plan until, while I took a step away to get a Coke, my dad drilled them (despite my saying of "not there") because he said it would be better for holding them in place...

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No kidding...looks like something you'd see a redneck do.

You my friend, have some of the worst luck with a router that I've seen yet...but it made for good lolz. Interesting build, will be following.


It is something a redneck would do. And the router was because for some reason my (now dead) uncle decided the collet would be a good place to stash a cannabis roach.

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Tempting. If only I didn't have the pickups I'm putting in it already.


By the way, the other idea for joining these was putting down a piece of cardboard, the pieces of wood on top of that (just to prevent scratching), and then putting a spare board on that (once again to prevent scratching) and a cinder block or two on top of that. Would that be advised against for the future? Like, if I didn't want to deal with clamps? Too redneck?
#39
I had that same problem with my router bit slipping on my last build. I chucked the bit tight as I could but about halfway through the truss rod route it worked its way free and punched through the back of the neck. I smashed the piece of crap on the floor and bought a new one the next day. I think it's the first tool I've ever smashed, but I was 100% happy I smashed it, even after shelling out for a new one.
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