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#1
So our generation are living in the most developed and prosperous (despite the financial problems) era in the history of man. Even 50 years ago let along 1000 years ago people would have relished not having to have backbreaking labour and bad living conditions.

So is it all meh or do you appreciate what you have?
#2
No I definitely take it for granted.
But by our generation, you probably mean "80% of the Western world and about 30% of the Eastern"
#3
We're still mostly mentally impaired.


But no, I'm not thankful for what I've got. I never lived in any other era or been a part of another generation, so I can't exactly tell the difference can I.
#4
I guess it's not to shabby that we can stream porn to our smartphones. What else matters?
#5
I second what smb said.
Without porn, our forefathers had to work to get naked women.
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#6
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Even 50 years ago let along 1000 years ago people would have relished not having to have backbreaking labour and bad living conditions.

There's still plenty of backbreaking labour if you're a real man.

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We're still mostly mentally impaired.

We've got higher IQ and better education than ever but we still haven't figured out that killing people = not very nice and religion = obsolete, unnecessary and mostly detrimental.
#7
No. Imagine all the awesome shit that future generations will have. I want interactive, holographic porn god dammnit.
#8
We live in a shitty time.
We will witness the initiation of amazing technological advances which will be the base for space exploration, space colonization and contact with extraterrestrials but we'll never experience it because we were born too early.
I'd rather live a couple hundred years back when we didn't even know all these advances were possible, then live now and comprehend what we are capable of but never experiencing it fully.

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#9
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We've got higher IQ and better education than ever but we still haven't figured out that killing people = not very nice and religion = obsolete, unnecessary and mostly detrimental.

statement is contradictory on purpose?
you know religion teaches that murder is wrong?
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#10
Economical growth is all fine and well, expect that we're using up all the limited natural resources on this planet and no one does anything about it. We're even killing trees faster than they grow back.

Screw humanity.
#11
yeah but erm you could say this for every generation?

{edit} and its all just sh*t anyway, its all unnecessary, were not some kind of f*cking elite, we dont need any of it, if anything we were better off 100 years ago. and youre an idiot if you dont agree. and dont come back at me with some lameass 'but you wouldnt have the pc youre typing on or the toilet paper you wipe your ass with' sh*t, EVERYTHING is bullsh*t. and we dont need any of it. And when ive saved enough money im moving to a cave in Tibet. and im sick of all this. and oh god i was so happy before i entered this thread now im so goddamn angry im gonna go cool myself off in the shower :@
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#12
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yeah but erm you could say this for every generation?

{edit} and its all just sh*t anyway, its all unnecessary, were not some kind of f*cking elite, we dont need any of it, if anything we were better off 100 years ago. and youre an idiot if you dont agree. and dont come back at me with some lameass 'but you wouldnt have the pc youre typing on or the toilet paper you wipe your ass with' sh*t, EVERYTHING is bullsh*t. and we dont need any of it. And when ive saved enough money im moving to a cave in Tibet. and im sick of all this. and oh god i was so happy before i entered this thread now im so goddamn angry im gonna go cool myself off in the shower :@


They don't have showers in the caves of Tibet.
#13
Quote by untalented
statement is contradictory on purpose?
you know religion teaches that murder is wrong?

Except if you're gay, or a different colour, or if you have a different god, or if you cheated on your wife, etc...

Then it's perfectly okay.

Don't try to tell me that religion teaches good morals. Religion teaches fucked-arse bullshit. Patriotic Americans still use 'god is on our side' as justification for slaughtering hundreds of thousands of Muslims who think god is on their side.

I'm not saying it's never done the world any good, or even that it's done the world more bad than good (though it probably has.) All I'm saying is it's entirely unnecessary in today's society.
#14
Quote by KiLLSWiTCH-KnoT
yeah but erm you could say this for every generation?

{edit} and its all just sh*t anyway, its all unnecessary, were not some kind of f*cking elite, we dont need any of it, if anything we were better off 100 years ago. and youre an idiot if you dont agree. and dont come back at me with some lameass 'but you wouldnt have the pc youre typing on or the toilet paper you wipe your ass with' sh*t, EVERYTHING is bullsh*t. and we dont need any of it. And when ive saved enough money im moving to a cave in Tibet. and im sick of all this. and oh god i was so happy before i entered this thread now im so goddamn angry im gonna go cool myself off in the shower :@






but seriously.....


#15
Quote by Vitor_vdp
They don't have showers in the caves of Tibet.


**** showers, ill collect rainwater in a bucket and sponge myself down. **** that i just wont wash. washing is so '09.
#16
You wouldn't last 5 minutes.


They have showers and computers and toilet paper in Tibet, by the way.
#17
Quote by Butt Rayge
You wouldn't last 5 minutes.


They have showers and computers and toilet paper in Tibet, by the way.


ok im sorry i retract my statement and ill just sit down and have a nice mug of mint tea ok bye.

{edont} they also have the absence of aobut 98% of the shit that makes me hate being alive, and tibetan buddism. buddism is cool. one love brah. idiot.
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#18
Quote by Butt Rayge
Except if you're gay, or a different colour, or if you have a different god, or if you cheated on your wife, etc...

Then it's perfectly okay.

Don't try to tell me that religion teaches good morals. Religion teaches fucked-arse bullshit. Patriotic Americans still use 'god is on our side' as justification for slaughtering hundreds of thousands of Muslims who think god is on their side.

I'm not saying it's never done the world any good, or even that it's done the world more bad than good (though it probably has.) All I'm saying is it's entirely unnecessary in today's society.


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#19
Quote by KiLLSWiTCH-KnoT
**** showers, ill collect rainwater in a bucket and sponge myself down. **** that i just wont wash. washing is so '09.

hardcore, man
#20
Killswitch, why would you need to save money to live in a cave? But isn't money a part of 'EVERYTHING'? Then you don't need it. And good luck walking there, since by that logic you should also boycott planes/cars. Oh and have fun drinking rainwater in the summer...oh wait.

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statement is contradictory on purpose?
you know religion teaches that murder is wrong?



Quote by KiLLSWiTCH-KnoT
ok im sorry i retract my statement and ill just sit down and have a nice mug of mint tea ok bye.

{edont} they also have the absence of aobut 98% of the shit that makes me hate being alive, and tibetan buddism. buddism is cool. one love brah. idiot.

Yeah, you seem pretty damn Zen if you ask me.
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#21
Quote by KiLLSWiTCH-KnoT
yeah but erm you could say this for every generation?

{edit} and its all just sh*t anyway, its all unnecessary, were not some kind of f*cking elite, we dont need any of it, if anything we were better off 100 years ago. and youre an idiot if you dont agree. and dont come back at me with some lameass 'but you wouldnt have the pc youre typing on or the toilet paper you wipe your ass with' sh*t, EVERYTHING is bullsh*t. and we dont need any of it. And when ive saved enough money im moving to a cave in Tibet. and im sick of all this. and oh god i was so happy before i entered this thread now im so goddamn angry im gonna go cool myself off in the shower :@


Hell yeah, brother!

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#22
Quote by ali.guitarkid7
Killswitch, why would you need to save money to live in a cave? But isn't money a part of 'EVERYTHING'? Then you don't need it. And good luck walking there, since by that logic you should also boycott planes/cars. Oh and have fun drinking rainwater in the summer...oh wait.






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#23
Quote by KiLLSWiTCH-KnoT
yeah but erm you could say this for every generation?

{edit} and its all just sh*t anyway, its all unnecessary, were not some kind of f*cking elite, we dont need any of it, if anything we were better off 100 years ago. and youre an idiot if you dont agree. and dont come back at me with some lameass 'but you wouldnt have the pc youre typing on or the toilet paper you wipe your ass with' sh*t, EVERYTHING is bullsh*t. and we dont need any of it. And when ive saved enough money im moving to a cave in Tibet. and im sick of all this. and oh god i was so happy before i entered this thread now im so goddamn angry im gonna go cool myself off in the shower :@


Hey! I can ignore people's posts on UG, thanks technology!
#24
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And I will probably agree with a lot of what he says. He's a smart guy. I don't think I said anything too inflammatory.

Religious texts do encourage murder, people do justify their actions with religion, and we don't need religion to teach us how to be good people.

inb4 'religious people do good thing, too.' I fucking know, alright.

EDIT: Sigh, why did I even mention the 'r' word?
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#26
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p.s. instant translocation, broheim, while yall were wasting your time getting gcse's n shit i released my Kundalini Serpent and had Astral SpaceSex with a 3 legged, tentacled goatfish.

Oh.


Seems legit.
#27
Quote by Butt Rayge
And I will probably agree with a lot of what he says. He's a smart guy. I don't think I said anything too inflammatory.

Religious texts do encourage murder, people do justify their actions with religion, and we don't need religion to teach us how to be good people.

inb4 'religious people do good thing, too.' I fucking know, alright.

EDIT: Sigh, why did I even mention the 'r' word?


Oh I agree with you. I'm just saying that whenever Religion is mentioned it turns into a debate of morals and legitimacy which usually brings Slacker out to put everyone to shame with his awesome knowledge.

It's like a Religious studies class for me.
#28
Quote by untalented
statement is contradictory on purpose?
you know religion teaches that murder is wrong?


You don't need religion to know that murder is wrong though. Morals teach murder is wrong, parents should teach murder is wrong, everybody should know it's wrong.
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#29
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Except if you're gay, or a different colour, or if you have a different god, or if you cheated on your wife, etc...

Then it's perfectly okay.

Don't try to tell me that religion teaches good morals. Religion teaches fucked-arse bullshit. Patriotic Americans still use 'god is on our side' as justification for slaughtering hundreds of thousands of Muslims who think god is on their side.

I'm not saying it's never done the world any good, or even that it's done the world more bad than good (though it probably has.) All I'm saying is it's entirely unnecessary in today's society.


Start with an acceptable, lucid and contextual definition of religion. That would go a long way in lending legitimacy to your contentions.

For example a definition of religion as "a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith " (Merriam-Webster), would render the argument of perversity arising from group-morality baseless as human culture in itself is intrinsically associated with principles and causes, many of which are ritualized to assert their importance over other cultural values.

But, I think we can safely assume that you are referring to the idea of religion as a majoritarian belief in the existence of an overarching supernatural power. This is a more specific and better known derivative of the previous definition. In this case, as far as religion being "unnecessary" goes:

1) It was necessitated by the call for group cohesion and the need for one group to identify it self from the other.

2) It was birthed by the "narrative" and "mythic" qualities of the human mind well before the advent of scientific deconstruction and rationalism.

3) It is true that Religion would serve no utility in a society wherein all the individuals of that society believed in a relatively uniform method of scientific uniformly.

4) However, the existence of a growing number of scientific skeptics does not mean
that the nature of society itself has changed to rationalism, it may mean that we are on the cusp of change but not to the point where the exception has become the rule.

5) There are many schools of spiritualism that are religion in both form and substance and provide maximum creative utility to those who abide by them and do not cause sectarian strife (Gnosticism, Shamanism, Some forms of Buddhism).

6) However, all this being said most majoritarian religions have long predicated their worth, have become rituals without reason and serve only the purposes of war-pigs and delusional escapists.

IMO
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#30
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You don't need religion to know that murder is wrong though. Morals teach murder is wrong, parents should teach murder is wrong, everybody should know it's wrong.

you missed the context of the post.
also, that guy is trolling with his "religion is evil and everyone who follows it is stupid" rant in a completely unrelated thread.
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I don't think any words should be censored.

Especially faggot since homos aren't real people and all.

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Man City wont win anything and finish below Arsenal.

city: 3rd + FA cup winners.
arsenal: 4th
#31
Quote by untalented
you missed the context of the post.
also, that guy is trolling with his "religion is evil and everyone who follows it is stupid" rant in a completely unrelated thread.


Actually, the points made about religion throughout this thread would tie in beautifully as to why we are NOT in the "upper echelons of human existence".

The degradation of religion from meaningful rhetoric to obscure ritualism is just another metaphor for why our idea of development (spiritual, economic and informational) is so messed up today.

There is more information out there than ever and more means of spreading it, but those with the means and social capital of accessing it is miniscule. Similarly, more produce than ever before, but controlled by less than 5 percent of the World's population.

Mad world, brah.

IMO
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#32
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Actually, the points made about religion throughout this thread would tie in beautifully as to why we are NOT in the "upper echelons of human existence".

The degradation of religion from meaningful rhetoric to obscure ritualism is just another metaphor for why our idea of development (spiritual, economic and informational) is so messed up today.

that's the fault of people, not religion or its context.
people are stupid in the world today. it's not the religion they follow, it's usually their culture that influences them. people think things like homosexuality are wrong because of social pressure where as if they read the bible/quran, there's nothing there on the matter.
people are also stupid in that they'll believe anything that's been told to them and they're influenced by a person's mannerisms and the tone of their voice more than reasoning.

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There is more information out there than ever and more means of spreading it, but those with the means and social capital of accessing it is miniscule. Similarly, more produce than ever before, but controlled by less than 5 percent of the World's population.

Mad world, brah.

IMO

that isn't the fault of religion; it's the fault of the capitalist society where bankers control interest rates (something banned in islam to avoid the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer) and everyone is in debt because of the fact they're paying ridiculous interest on their loans which they have to obtain to get an education, an house, etc. and end up paying for those things for the rest of their lives.
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I don't think any words should be censored.

Especially faggot since homos aren't real people and all.

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#33
If I look at all the goddamn hipsters and emo kids these days I'd hardly call us the pinnacle of evolution any more.
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#34
The more people there are on this planet, the less one individual person is worth. When talking about a sentient species, the magnitude of difference between 1 billion and 10 billion is beyond description.

p.s. we're already hit the peak brah.
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#35
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Quote by untalented


you know religion teaches that murder is wrong?
Except if you're gay, or a different colour, or if you have a different god, or if you cheated on your wife, etc...

Then it's perfectly okay.



So what does that tell you?
Quite obviously that religion often contradicts itself, it's true, it does. But... given all the many things that different religions disagree upon, the one thing that practicaly all religions agree upon is the 'golden rule', to treat others as we would wish to be treated ourselves. It goes back a hell of a long way too, the Vedics of ancient India mentioned it as did the Sumerians in the completely different culture of ancient Mesopotamia, two of the very earliest historical examples of religion that we know of, long, long before Judaism was developed and in turn branched off into Christianity and Islam.

So what does that suggest?
Well firstly it suggests that nearly all religion has a common ancestoral religion or philosophy, probably one followed by our hunter/gatherer ancestors before they started settling down into perminantly settled agricultural cultures between 10,000 and 6000 years ago.

Secondly, the fact that so much of certain religions contradict their own citing of the VERY ancient philosophy of the golden rule, it suggests that certain parts of religion were purposely added later by cultural leaders who simply wished to use religion as a means to control people.

So really, we can pretty much ignore the stuff that contradicts the golden rule in religion as false religion.
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Don't try to tell me that religion teaches good morals. Religion teaches ****ed-arse bullshit. Patriotic Americans still use 'god is on our side' as justification for slaughtering hundreds of thousands of Muslims who think god is on their side.


But is that religion's fault or just the fault of certain patriotic Americans who misuse religion? I hate to use the Hitler card here but this is one of the best ways I know to explain this. Eugenics, which as we know is closely associated with the wholesale slaughter of and horrific experientation on certain classes of people under Nazi Germany, was based upon evolution theory. So should we blame Darwin and his theory of evolution for the unethical way that the Nazis used eugenics?

Of course not, that'd be silly, but wouldn't it also be equally as silly to blame religion for the way many twisted people misuse it as a way to fulfil their own agendas?
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#36
Quote by Butt Rayge
Except if you're gay, or a different colour, or if you have a different god, or if you cheated on your wife, etc...

Then it's perfectly okay.

Don't try to tell me that religion teaches good morals. Religion teaches fucked-arse bullshit. Patriotic Americans still use 'god is on our side' as justification for slaughtering hundreds of thousands of Muslims who think god is on their side.

I'm not saying it's never done the world any good, or even that it's done the world more bad than good (though it probably has.) All I'm saying is it's entirely unnecessary in today's society.



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#37
Quote by darkstar2466
The more people there are on this planet, the less one individual person is worth. When talking about a sentient species, the magnitude of difference between 1 billion and 10 billion is beyond description.

p.s. we're already hit the peak brah.


I agree.


Technological advancement is cool and all but there's a point when it becomes negative.
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#38
Quote by untalented
statement is contradictory on purpose?
you know religion teaches that murder is wrong?


And yet millions upon millions have been killed for trivial reasons because of it.

#39
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I agree.


Technological advancement is cool and all but there's a point when it becomes negative.


Given the two absolute truths, that resources are finite and that people will multiply exponentially after a certain threshold of convenience of resource availability, I think I can deduce with fair certainty that every civilization that gets to the fossil fuel stage of energy usage gets exactly one chance at success (leaving the planet to enable gathering of more resources). We have wasted ours.

Oh well.

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#40
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So what does that tell you?
Quite obviously that religion often contradicts itself, it's true, it does. But... given all the many things that different religions disagree upon, the one thing that practicaly all religions agree upon is the 'golden rule', to treat others as we would wish to be treated ourselves. It goes back a hell of a long way too, the Vedics of ancient India mentioned it as did the Sumerians in the completely different culture of ancient Mesopotamia, two of the very earliest historical examples of religion that we know of, long, long before Judaism was developed and in turn branched off into Christianity and Islam.

So what does that suggest?
Well firstly it suggests that nearly all religion has a common ancestoral religion or philosophy, probably one followed by our hunter/gatherer ancestors before they started settling down into perminantly settled agricultural cultures between 10,000 and 6000 years ago.

Secondly, the fact that so much of certain religions contradict their own citing of the VERY ancient philosophy of the golden rule, it suggests that certain parts of religion were purposely added later by cultural leaders who simply wished to use religion as a means to control people.

So really, we can pretty much ignore the stuff that contradicts the golden rule in religion as false religion.


But is that religion's fault or just the fault of certain patriotic Americans who misuse religion? I hate to use the Hitler card here but this is one of the best ways I know to explain this. Eugenics, which as we know is closely associated with the wholesale slaughter of and horrific experientation on certain classes of people under Nazi Germany, was based upon evolution theory. So should we blame Darwin and his theory of evolution for the unethical way that the Nazis used eugenics?

Of course not, that'd be silly, but wouldn't it also be equally as silly to blame religion for the way many twisted people misuse it as a way to fulfil their own agendas?

Quote by shattamakar
Start with an acceptable, lucid and contextual definition of religion. That would go a long way in lending legitimacy to your contentions.

For example a definition of religion as "a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith " (Merriam-Webster), would render the argument of perversity arising from group-morality baseless as human culture in itself is intrinsically associated with principles and causes, many of which are ritualized to assert their importance over other cultural values.

But, I think we can safely assume that you are referring to the idea of religion as a majoritarian belief in the existence of an overarching supernatural power. This is a more specific and better known derivative of the previous definition. In this case, as far as religion being "unnecessary" goes:

1) It was necessitated by the call for group cohesion and the need for one group to identify it self from the other.

2) It was birthed by the "narrative" and "mythic" qualities of the human mind well before the advent of scientific deconstruction and rationalism.

3) It is true that Religion would serve no utility in a society wherein all the individuals of that society believed in a relatively uniform method of scientific uniformly.

4) However, the existence of a growing number of scientific skeptics does not mean
that the nature of society itself has changed to rationalism, it may mean that we are on the cusp of change but not to the point where the exception has become the rule.

5) There are many schools of spiritualism that are religion in both form and substance and provide maximum creative utility to those who abide by them and do not cause sectarian strife (Gnosticism, Shamanism, Some forms of Buddhism).

6) However, all this being said most majoritarian religions have long predicated their worth, have become rituals without reason and serve only the purposes of war-pigs and delusional escapists.

IMO

I agree with all of that.

My original point was that in our current society, religion is unnecessary.* It's clear that religion was instrumental in the evolution of society, civilisation and the human psyche in the past, but in my eyes, in the modern world it has only been used to justify hate and discrimination in it's many forms. I understand that it's essentially a tool being used by sick and twisted people, but if you took away the tool, they'd just look like sick and twisted people, instead of being followed by those faithful to the same texts and ideologies being exploited and misconstrued by the sick and twisted people.
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Cool condescension, bro.


*Actually, my original point was that we shouldn't get all high and mighty about our achievements until we realise that killing is wrong, but we're talking about religion now...
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