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#1
Hello!
I has been aiming for a Music Man Silhouette Special SSS for a week, but yesterday I spotted a nice deal on a new Rickenbacker 620. So, I've read a lot of different reviews on Rics, and they were all very different (some people said that this guitar is awful, however, others said that this Rickenbacker is great ). So I am a bit confused now, beacause the Ric appeals to me as much as the EBMM. I play classic, blues, even country, but I also play some solos and rock riffs. I can't understand anything about Rickenbackers by watching videos on YouTube, because they are poor quality and most of the reviewers play the beatles music with those guitars (I hate the beatles ). I guess that the quality of 620 will be nice, but I've read some negative reviews about it's playability.
The most important thing for me is clean sound and comfort (low action, comfortable neck and so on). My amp is a VOX AC4.
I know most of you will recommend the EBMM, but I'm also interested in your opinions about Rickenbackers. (sorry for possible grammar mistakes in this post)
#2
I like Rickies, they have a charm to them that you cant get anywhere else. Definitely not for everyone, and i can see why. All the ones i played had chunky necks, were heavy as ****, and didnt have *amazing* playability (placement of bridge, size of body, fret accessibility, etc) but overall im a fan of them. They sound wicked, the 620 is a great piece, my only beef with it that would be a real con is the weakness of the pickups. They sound great, but just dont have enough juice.

Obviously the recommendation comes down to this: go play the Ric. Thats the only way you can know because they play differently for everyone. Kind of a weird trait they have, but i personally would grab the 620 and swap in better pickups.
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#3
Considering your music choices I'd have to say go for the Rickenbacker! It will be great for your blues and country.
#5
I like Ricki's, a buddy of mine has one of their 12 strings and I borrow that guitar on a regular basis, but they are definitely not known for their versatility. especially through a vox, they're going to have that very bright, chimey and somewhat thin tone that you'd associate with the beatles. its a really nice tone, if thats what you're going for, but you're not going to get many other tones out of one. the playability is decent on most ricki's I've tried, but some have been better than others. most of the issues I've found with them can be fixed for under $150 (getting frets leveled, a new nut, stuff like that).

I would personally take the musicman. they have some of the most comfortable all-around necks (in the sense that they seem to be good at everything) anywhere, and they sound great. the EBMM is also going to be more versatile and easier to maintain (they're simple and very well made, where ricki's can be a little finicky). that being said, play the ricki. if it plays well and you like the sound (could be a really cool country sound, kinda like a gretsch with more presence dialed in), then it should be a fine guitar
#6
A Music Man or a Rickenbacker? This is a question? That's like asking a Hyundai or a Ferrari?

If price is not an issue, of course you go for the Rickenbacker. They've been successful in the guitar making business for 80 years for a reason -- they make fantastic guitars.
#7
Quote by CasinoEpiphone
A Music Man or a Rickenbacker? This is a question? That's like asking a Hyundai or a Ferrari?

If price is not an issue, of course you go for the Rickenbacker. They've been successful in the guitar making business for 80 years for a reason -- they make fantastic guitars.



More like Ferrari or Morris Minor.

Musicman guitars are incredible. The cheaper, yet still expensive Rics are at best an acquired taste.

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#8
While I've never even played a Ric, they always seemed like they were made to appeal to the old rich people who wanted to play beatles tunes. The MM I played sounded great distorted and clean and probably would've even done well with some heavier sounds too. I wish I could remember what model it was though.
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#9
Quote by Mukersman
a Ric always seemed like they were made to appeal to the old rich people who wanted to play beatles tunes.

Oh, come on, that's not true at all.
Rics are for old rich people who want to play Beatles tunes AND Byrds tunes.
#10
Unless you're a diehard Roger McGuinn fan and want to jingle-jangle on a twelve-string, you really have to want a Rickenbacker to go for one. As others have said, they are definitely an acquired taste. The quality is first rate, but they sound like no other guitar (or bass, for that matter) and some people don't like the way they feel.

I'd go for the EB/MM.
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#11
yeah as said rickenbackers are a bit idiosyncratic. if you can try one, then that's the thing to do. if not, the MM would probably be teh safer choice.
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#12
I don't know what model of EBMM you were considering, but the Axis line (the ones that used to be Eddie Van Halen's model, before he moved on) are pretty nice. Keep in mind that there are basically three levels of this type. In descending order of price, the Axis model with Floyd Rose "D-Tuna" trem, the Axis Super-Sport with a Music Man "vintage" trem (and somewhat cheaper pickups), and then their non-US line, "Sterling by Music Man". (They made some stop-tail versions also, but most have trems.)

Of course there are other EBMM models, like the Petrucci signature, the Steve Morse model, the Albert Lee model, etc.

If you like the EVH-style Axis models, then there are also old Peavey Wolfgangs (USA) and Wolfgang Specials (non-US) that are very similar in design, looks, and parts, as well as the current EVH Wolfgang and Wolfgang Special models that are built for EVH by Fender.

Almost all of these have maple necks (usually unfinished), and a body that is basswood with a maple top. A pair of humbuckers, and a clever bolt-on neck design where the truss-rod adjustment is via a slot just in front of the neck pickup.
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#13
biggest anoyance with ricks? why do they laquer the fretboard? the more bare wood the better i say...

but they are amazing. i do agree they are a special guitar. if i had a guitar collection, i would have one. 1 trick pony? NOOOO.

for your main guitar take the music man. im no fan of signature guitars, but hte JP 6, holy shit. one of the nicest out of the factory guitars ive seen for under about 3 grand. quality is on par with ricks and the feel and features are almost better than pretty much any guitar out there.
#14
Thanks.
I think I'll go with the EBMM. I'm not THAT risky to pick up the guitar which is so special, and I have never played it before
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#15
Quote by terribleguitar
Thanks.
I think I'll go with the EBMM.

Wait, you are seriously going for a Music Man over this:



My God, man, billions of people all over the world go to bed at night dreaming of just touching a Rickenbacker, and you have the money and are going to spend it on a Music Man?
#16
Shut up.

EBMM make some of the most, if not the most consistent and high quality mass produced guitars in the world.

The 620 is a shit Ric and its certainly not something I would buy if the following was what I was after:

Quote by terribleguitar
Hello!
The most important thing for me is clean sound and comfort (low action, comfortable neck and so on)



It plays like an acoustic, its muddy and undefined and is unbalanced and unergonomic. I seriously doubt you have played either.

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#17
Quote by CasinoEpiphone
Wait, you are seriously going for a Music Man over this:





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#18
Quote by Tom 1.0
I seriously doubt you have played either.

Uhh, that 12 string Ric in the picture above is mine.

And, no, I have never played a MusicMan. Why exactly would I want to? I have a Rickenbacker, a Stratocaster, a Telecaster, a Casino, and a Gretsch White Falcon. I'd say I got everything covered.
#19
bully for you.

you havent played a music man so how can you compare the two?

mong.

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#20
Quote by FatalGear41
Hey, Mister Tambourine Man, play a song for me!

It ain't just Byrds stuff.
You do realize that the crazy lick Keith Richards played in the Stones' "Mother's Little Helper" was done on a 12 string.
#21
Quote by CasinoEpiphone
Uhh, that 12 string Ric in the picture above is mine.

And, no, I have never played a MusicMan. Why exactly would I want to? I have a Rickenbacker, a Stratocaster, a Telecaster, a Casino, and a Gretsch White Falcon. I'd say I got everything for teh bl00zak covered.

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#22
Quote by Tom 1.0
bully for you.

you havent played a music man so how can you compare the two?

mong.

Dude, we can't play every guitar from every guitar brand. Impossible to do. So much of the time we have to go by what we hear artists playing in order to make our guitar purchasing choices. And I have yet to hear any artist play a MusicMan that would impress me enough to want to go out and seek a MusicMan. Sure Eddie Van impresses me, but with him it is his playing, not the particular guitar. Eddie was actually better on his Strat.
#23
Quote by CasinoEpiphone
Uhh, that 12 string Ric in the picture above is mine.

And, no, I have never played a MusicMan. Why exactly would I want to? I have a Rickenbacker, a Stratocaster, a Telecaster, a Casino, and a Gretsch White Falcon. I'd say I got everything covered.



No White Penguin?



I always wanted one of these.
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#24
Quote by CasinoEpiphone
Dude, we can't play every guitar from every guitar brand. Impossible to do. So much of the time we have to go by what we hear artists playing in order to make our guitar purchasing choices. And I have yet to hear any artist play a MusicMan that would impress me enough to want to go out and seek a MusicMan. Sure Eddie Van impresses me, but with him it is his playing, not the particular guitar. Eddie was actually better on his Strat.



Some of us do play lots of various brands. Me being one of those people.

I am pretty impartial when it comes to giving advice and I would never ever recommend one of the cheaper and more vintage style Rics to somebody who wants an easy playing guitar.

EBMM guitars are just that, easy and comfortable and with great tone.

The 620 is cheap and even with a decent setup is hard to play and feels very very antiquated. Its not until you start spending huge amounts do you get a nicely playing Ric by modern standards, hell even by vintage standards, Gibsons and Fenders blow them away.

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#25
Quote by FatalGear41
No White Penguin?.

Nah, I went Falcon.

The Penguin is a tad too expensive. It is essentially just a Jet but all tricked out with bling. I do want a Jet, but I won't pay all that extra just for the gold. With a Falcon, there really isn't another Gretsch guitar like it. You want a big 17" hollow body Gretsch, you get the Falcon.

#26
is this a second or third guitar for the op?

don't make the rickenbacker your one and only.

it's no prs hollowbody spruce.

casinoepiphone's glue and laminate collection is pretty nice i suppose.

no need to fight guyz.
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#27
Quote by Tom 1.0
The 620 is cheap and even with a decent setup is hard to play and feels very very antiquated. Its not until you start spending huge amounts do you get a nicely playing Ric by modern standards, hell even by vintage standards, Gibsons and Fenders blow them away.

Yeah, Rics can be difficult to play. But that's just at first. You soon enough find your way around the fingerboard. Better than that, you soon find yourself playing different chord shapes, inversions, single string lines...a whole new way to approach guitar can come into play. Are you going to tell me improving your technique and approach is a bad thing?

Look, that Falcon of mine is no easy guitar to play. It is HUGE, heavy, long scale. But if it were easy it would be a toy guitar. Rics and Falcons are for serious players. For players who will work hard at improving. I kind of like that.
#28
Quote by CasinoEpiphone
Yeah, Rics can be difficult to play. But that's just at first. You soon enough find your way around the fingerboard. Better than that, you soon find yourself playing different chord shapes, inversions, single string lines...a whole new way to approach guitar can come into play. Are you going to tell me improving your technique and approach is a bad thing?

Look, that Falcon of mine is no easy guitar to play. It is HUGE, heavy, long scale. But if it were easy it would be a toy guitar. Rics and Falcons are for serious players. For players who will work hard at improving. I kind of like that.



Rickenbacker: guitars so bad you have to think about it.


Good advert.

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#29
Quote by Tom 1.0

Good advert.

I'd say the fact that three of the four Beatles played Rickenbackers is a pretty good advert.

Now go on and list all the greats who play MusicMans. See if you can top George Harrison, Paul McCartney, and John Lennon.
I'll wait for your list.
Still waiting.
#30
So what if thats what they played?

They also played epiphones, fenders and any old shit they felt like.

They were hardly gear heads in the UG sense of the phrase.

What list? Of over rated pop acts, or UGers who think that citing people who used their old fashioned guitars 50 years ago are relevant to the thread in question.

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#31
what's a beatles?
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#32
Quote by Tom 1.0
old fashioned guitars 50 years ago.

So you are one these kids who think if it is five years old, it is worthless. Have to buy the latest video game system, the newest I-phone, won't watch a black and white movie, would rather drive a 2010 Mini Cooper than a 1968 Boss Mustang.
Time to grow up and realize the world didn't start last week.


Kid, stick to your MusicMans and make music that no one is interested in. Others play Rickenbackers and change the musical world.
#33
when was the last time a rickenbacker player changed the world.
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#34


Cease fire, guys! They're both fine guitars.
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#35
Quote by AcousticMirror
when was the last time a rickenbacker player changed the world.

Changed the musical world. No musician really ever changed the world. Maybe John Lennon...and oh, yeah, he played a Rickenbacker.

Name me a MusicMan player that ever changed anything.
I'll wait for your list.
Still waiting.
#36
Quote by CasinoEpiphone
So you are one these kids who think if it is five years old, it is worthless. Have to buy the latest video game system, the newest I-phone, won't watch a black and white movie, would rather drive a 2010 Mini Cooper than a 1968 Boss Mustang.
Time to grow up and realize the world didn't start last week.


Kid, stick to your MusicMans and make music that no one is interested in. Others play Rickenbackers and change the musical world.



No.

I read books, not games.

My favourite film is Psycho.

I owned a classic mini, you know, the one from the 60s.

My favourite guitar is a 1958 Gibson Explorer.

I'm also a History Major.

I wouldnt bother calling me kid either but whatever, your clearly the idiot in this thread, as you have said you have no experience with EBMM and still slated them, I have experience with both and actually said that the good Rics are very nice guitars, the 620 and lower end ones arent.

Maybe you're old and need glasses, because you clearly havent read anything I posted.

Whatever Grandad, I will continue to play my comfortable and impeccably built guitar and you can keep playing your heavy, uncomfortable jangly guitar whilst you play other peoples music that changed the world.

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#38
Quote by CasinoEpiphone
So you are one these kids who think if it is five years old, it is worthless. Have to buy the latest video game system, the newest I-phone, won't watch a black and white movie, would rather drive a 2010 Mini Cooper than a 1968 Boss Mustang.
Time to grow up and realize the world didn't start last week.

I'm about to buy a new gaming rig, don't own an iPhone, Sin City was a good movie and I'd wouldn't drive a '68 Mustang, because I don't feel the need to compensate for anything by driving a big car that's as efficient as using a lightbulb for heating (or powering mapz). Whats worse then someone who has to have the latest and greatest is a stuck up pretentious douche like you who thinks everything has to be vintage and complains about change. Quit living in the past mate, the Beatles aint the be-all-end-all of music.


Quote by CasinoEpiphone
Kid, stick to your MusicMans and make music that no one is interested in. Others play Rickenbackers and change the musical world.

Right, because what guitar you play entirely defines your music
Who are you again? Your Rickenbackers must be broken, because you sure haven't changed the musical world. How about you go tell that to Steve Morse, Albert Lee, John Petrucci, Steve Lukather, Joe Bonamassa or the other MusicMan endorsees?
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#39
Quote by CasinoEpiphone
Changed the musical world. No musician really ever changed the world. Maybe John Lennon...and oh, yeah, he played a Rickenbacker.

Name me a MusicMan player that ever changed anything.
I'll wait for your list.
Still waiting.


who? what are these people you keep talking about?

i think musicman was started by good ole leo fender.

dream theater is pretty important.
so is van halen.

steve morse.
albert lee.
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#40
I think the MM guitars are really nice, that being said there are a ton of awesome guitars to choose from depending on your budget. I have been singing the praise of Duesenberg guitars since i got my Starplayer TV, but i also have great admiration for most Grestch and Fender guitars.
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