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I play mostly metallica, and i was thinking about buying an epiphone explorer 1984 reissue with EMG pickups, but im not so sure about the shape... it looks to ''attention whorish'' is a les paul (doesnt have to be a gibson) good for metallica with EMG pickups in it, and can you play fast riff on it?

and if so, can you recommend me 1?

yes im lazy to such so many things on the internet, sorry

EDIT : The prophecy is a new guitar, yes, but its 600 euro here, and the exp 84 is only 440, is it really worth 160 euro more? im also thinking about a flying v or a prophecy explorer (it cost the same as the 84) but it looks less steriotypisch
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#2
Budget? and what's your current set up?
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#4
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Budget? and what's your current set up?


about 700$ (500 euro)
#5
What amp you got?
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#6
I think the Epi 1984 Explorer Reissue is a true bang for the buck guitar. I'd really get that one.
But of course, sound is also dependent on your amplifier and yourself, so you should really check that you've got a decent amp too.
As Fisheth24 asked you, what is your current setup?
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#10
i have a gibson les paul with seymour duncan black outs in it and i play within the ruins, chelsea grin, through the eyes of the dead, you know that kinda technical death core shit. so yeah it can handle some metalica. go big and get a gibson.
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#11
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Yea get an LTD EC-401, great value for the money!


+1

Though I do use my Tokai LP for metal.
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#12
I personally think LP's sound great for metal with emg's in them. I own an epi Zakk Wylde custom, 81 85 actives, and its a fantastic guitar for what it cost me. My lead guitarist has a gibson lp studio with an 81 and 60 in it, sounds absolutely amazing, but he does play through a krank valve rev120 and 4x12.

having played a ec401, I can't say I liked it, I did however love the epi 84 reissue I played recently in a store, it played well and sounded brilliant for the price, the neck was thicker than my standard gibson explorer though, much more like a LP neck.

as for the epiphone lp prophecy's I had one of those too. while it was a nice guitar it wasn't brilliant at all.

Personally if you like the 84 reissue, buy one, if your two afraid of looking like a hetfield wannabe, dont ever play any metallica or own any explorer. my band mates, friends, girlfriend all mock me for owning a white explorer and frequently call me het, however the guitar plays better than any other I have played, so I couldn't care less.
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Quote by teli1337
I play mostly metallica, and i was thinking about buying an epiphone explorer 1984 reissue with EMG pickups, but im not so sure about the shape... it looks to ''attention whorish'' is a les paul (doesnt have to be a gibson) good for metallica with EMG pickups in it, and can you play fast riff on it?

and if so, can you recommend me 1?

yes im lazy to such so many things on the internet, sorry


Metallica (Hetfield and Hammett) use Gibson Les Pauls loads as did Randy Rhoads and Zakk Wylde. If you think people can't play fast with Les Pauls then watch Doug Aldrich, Vivian Campbell or John Sykes (Sykes is faster than Steve Vai)

Plenty of people can play fast on Les Pauls, Ritchie Faulkner who replaced KK Downing in Judas Priest uses Les Pauls as his main guitar.


















I play metal on my Gibson Les Paul, if you're going to spend on a Les Paul, try and get a Custom, looks more suited and the ebony board is amazing on mine.
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#14
I'd say an ESP EC-401. I don't know if it's within your price range but it is off the internet..
#15
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I play metal on my Gibson Les Paul, if you're going to spend on a Les Paul, try and get a Custom, looks more suited and the ebony board is amazing on mine.


His budget is $700.

LPs are fine for metal with EMGs. I prefer the 60s profile necks since they're slimmer.
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For that money you could get a Faded Les Paul or SG used.

They work very well for metal, you don't need EMGs and are - IMO at least - some of the best guitars you can get for that amount of money.
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Check out the Epiphone prophecy series.


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this. Awesome guitars for the price.





I've played the 84 and i own a Prophecy Futura. The Futura blows it out of the water. It actually feels like a quality guitar. The 84 feels plastic-y.

As for attention whorish, that's bunk
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#18
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His budget is $700.

LPs are fine for metal with EMGs. I prefer the 60s profile necks since they're slimmer.


Didn't see the budget

Sorry about that TS.


If you raise you budget at any point, go for a Les Paul Custom.


I suppose you could go for the Epiphone Les Paul Custom and put the active EMGs in. Would probably sound ok...
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yes im lazy to such so many things on the internet, sorry


so much that you can't even answer the questions in your thread.

get a shecktah wit deh EMGs and a 6505-112.
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#21
Another vote for the Epi LP Prophecy. Killer guitar for the price. I love mine.
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#23
So, you think having an Explorer, which is one of THE MOST METAL guitar shapes ever, is more attention whorish than having a LP, which is THE MOST OVERUSED AND CLICHE GUITAR SHAPE ever?

Also, lol at Kirk Hamster shredding w/ a Bigsby.
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So, you think having an Explorer, which is one of THE MOST METAL guitar shapes ever, is more attention whorish than having a LP, which is THE MOST OVERUSED AND CLICHE GUITAR SHAPE ever?

Also, lol at Kirk Hamster shredding w/ a Bigsby.


Nah, the Les Paul single-cut shape is timeless. The double-cut strat shape is the most overused and cliche guitar shape ever.
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have to agree with that, everyone I know that knows nothing about guitars knows what a fender strat is, probably because of waynes world.

I have to say about the epiphone prophecy again, I had one, it may have been a bad one, but every earlier made in Korea epiphone les paul custom I have played has been better.
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#27
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so much that you can't even answer the questions in your thread.

get a shecktah wit deh EMGs and a 6505-112.


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#29
"why can/can't this guitar play ______"

this is getting annoying. why does this keep getting mentioned.

pretty much any guitar can play metal, metal is a genre not a guitar.

well maybe not a resonator, lol i would try it though just for curiosity

i have a 490r/498t Les Paul, it has been my go to metal guitar for three years now. if you want to see some of the guitars i have that would be 'put up' against that les paul, check my profile., . don't be fooled into thinking you can't. once you get used to it, the 22nd fret is very usable regardless of 'reasonable' strap height. some don't like the finish on the back of the neck, it doesn't bother me, but i have sanded necks before not a big deal. the 60's necks really aren't that thick, you may have to get used to it, but its not an issue. i have owned an EC1000, a EC400 and an EC401. i dont own any of them now, but i have played them all. they are nice guitars,, but i preferred the les paul. the only reasons i had the EC's was because i was flipping them or was involved in a trade.

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#30
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and can you play fast riff on it?

Yeah, I can play lighting riffage on any Squire set up right?
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Quote by trashedlostfdup
"why can/can't this guitar play ______"

this is getting annoying. why does this keep getting mentioned.

pretty much any guitar can play metal, metal is a genre not a guitar.

well maybe not a resonator, lol i would try it though just for curiosity

i have a 490r/498t Les Paul, it has been my go to metal guitar for three years now. if you want to see some of the guitars i have that would be 'put up' against that les paul, check my profile., . don't be fooled into thinking you can't. once you get used to it, the 22nd fret is very usable regardless of 'reasonable' strap height. some don't like the finish on the back of the neck, it doesn't bother me, but i have sanded necks before not a big deal. the 60's necks really aren't that thick, you may have to get used to it, but its not an issue. i have owned an EC1000, a EC400 and an EC401. i dont own any of them now, but i have played them all. they are nice guitars,, but i preferred the les paul. the only reasons i had the EC's was because i was flipping them or was involved in a trade.

metal is music, not a certain guitar or amp, it is how you play it.

The reason I'd always recommend at least trying some Gibsons before buying an LTD, Schecter, any other kind of metal guitar, is that IMO Gibsons offer better, beefier overall tone than said metal guitars.

Unless you "need" some super slim neck, Floyd rose, c0il t4pz, EMGs and the whole aesthetic-thing including abalone and fancy quilt/flame veneer tops, Gibsons offer more actual tone for the money.
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The reason I'd always recommend at least trying some Gibsons before buying an LTD, Schecter, any other kind of metal guitar, is that IMO Gibsons offer better, beefier overall tone than said metal guitars.

Unless you "need" some super slim neck, Floyd rose, c0il t4pz, EMGs and the whole aesthetic-thing including abalone and fancy quilt/flame veneer tops, Gibsons offer more actual tone for the money.


a les paul studio will do anybody more than fine doing that a comparable guitar (meaning like you said, super thin neck, floyds, etc). i prefer my les paul over all of my others for metal. i can play leads as well on my LP as my RG, except that the RG has two more frets which work best for certain leads.
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#33
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Checkout the LP's on this page. Most of them are through necks rather than the usual set necks. http://www.rondomusic.com/electricguitar-ss14.html


the higher end agile are wonderful guitars .. i have the Al-3200 and its perfect BUT the alnico v humbuckers on it read 8.9 k for bridge and 7.5 for neck ( something like that ) . they sound very good but are more oriented for a vintage sound than a metal pickup . youll find that fast palmmuting metal riff wont cut it with the stock humbuckers. Nothing like a ceramic 16.6 k dc humbucker .

Im switching my bridge pickup for a Duncan sh-6 ( my favorite pickup ) .

so stock i wouldnt recommend an Agile les paul *for metal unless you plan on switching the humbuckers . but their 1/4 price of a gibson and are very great instruement . so then can still be a great value for the money even after switching pickup .

For metal id go with a Esp ltd Ec-1000 ( les paul shape with emg 81/60 on it ) for around 650 $ . wonderful guitar .


*** and BTW I bought my agile 3200 slim and the neck is wonderful on it . Before buying a les paul studio , try it in store .. cause its the round 50's baseball neck and its just huge . maybe great for some classic players but not the best for fast riffing . i have smaller hands and i hate the les paul studio cause the neck is too big . if you go gibson go with a 60's slim taper neck . thats the big neck that kept me away from le spaul studio .. good thing becasue for half the price .. i have a better guitar from agile .
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#34
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*** and BTW I bought my agile 3200 slim and the neck is wonderful on it . Before buying a les paul studio , try it in store .. cause its the round 50's baseball neck and its just huge . maybe great for some classic players but not the best for fast riffing . i have smaller hands and i hate the les paul studio cause the neck is too big . if you go gibson go with a 60's slim taper neck . thats the big neck that kept me away from le spaul studio .. good thing becasue for half the price .. i have a better guitar from agile .

not all LP studios have a 50's neck, my LP studio has a 60's neck or i wouldn't have bought it, even for the $350 it cost me.


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Quote by Skysc


*** and BTW I bought my agile 3200 slim and the neck is wonderful on it . Before buying a les paul studio , try it in store .. cause its the round 50's baseball neck and its just huge . maybe great for some classic players but not the best for fast riffing . i have smaller hands and i hate the les paul studio cause the neck is too big . if you go gibson go with a 60's slim taper neck . thats the big neck that kept me away from le spaul studio .. good thing becasue for half the price .. i have a better guitar from agile .



Look at my post with those players.

All of those guitars have big necks, unless Vivian Campbells or John Sykes don't.
They all play pretty fast, it's about how you play really. I can play faster on my Les Paul than on an Ibanez wizard neck because it I can't stand the Ibanez neck and it hurts to play (my neck catches my thumb right on the bone)
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A certain look in the eye and an easy smile.'

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You'll get the chance to put the knife in.'
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good thing becasue for half the price .. i have a better guitar from agile .

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Typical UG comment.

i resisted flaming the hell out of him.

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#38
I used a Gibson 79' Les Paul Custom. It sounded hell good, with a marhsall avt 175, I could get all the damn vintage sounds with or heavy metal growl, or either jazzy and bluesy tones, and the neck pickup sounded like a piano. I tried to shred some, but then i took the american fender stratocaster nearby, and man, i realized how ****ing hard is playing with gibson, once when you compare it to a fender. You cannot go for solos with a les paul, that is hard for someone at your level. I'd recommend a mahogany body strat, Ibanez MTM2 with emg 81-60 would be better if you could find it. Or better, get MTM1, and prefer emg ones, SD Blackouts are insane.
#39
Quote by trashedlostfdup
"why can/can't this guitar play ______"

this is getting annoying. why does this keep getting mentioned.

pretty much any guitar can play metal, metal is a genre not a guitar.

well maybe not a resonator, lol i would try it though just for curiosity

i have a 490r/498t Les Paul, it has been my go to metal guitar for three years now. if you want to see some of the guitars i have that would be 'put up' against that les paul, check my profile., . don't be fooled into thinking you can't. once you get used to it, the 22nd fret is very usable regardless of 'reasonable' strap height. some don't like the finish on the back of the neck, it doesn't bother me, but i have sanded necks before not a big deal. the 60's necks really aren't that thick, you may have to get used to it, but its not an issue. i have owned an EC1000, a EC400 and an EC401. i dont own any of them now, but i have played them all. they are nice guitars,, but i preferred the les paul. the only reasons i had the EC's was because i was flipping them or was involved in a trade.

metal is music, not a certain guitar or amp, it is how you play it.


Omg dude, you can't damn get the real question. It is ''Is that guitar Ideal for ______?'' ''Is that guitar fits the needings of that genre mostly'' Or so. And, damn LTD is better then gibson studio. What the hell is damn chambered body? How it is supposed to be solid body? Even cort builts solid body les paul guitars, why damn you dont do this on studio?
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Omg dude, you can't damn get the real question. It is ''Is that guitar Ideal for ______?'' ''Is that guitar fits the needings of that genre mostly'' Or so. And, damn LTD is better then gibson studio. What the hell is damn chambered body? How it is supposed to be solid body? Even cort builts solid body les paul guitars, why damn you dont do this on studio?

For the record, I played both ESP LTD EC-1000 VB and ESP Eclipse I-CTM GB. I found them both worse than my Gibson Les Paul Studio. Mainly because of the feel of the neck and the over-done contour on the body. The sound was decent, at least on the ESP. Can't say really the same for the LTD.
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