#1
Hi folks. First of all, very fine boards these are

Now to my questions that I guess will be quite stupid, but hey, at least you will have some fun. I would like to try playing on an electric guitar and even though I have googled out lot of questions, there are some for which I don't think I found clear answers.

1) Is it possible to have electric guitar connected to computer and while playing the guitar, hear it on headphones? I have quite good sound card (at least in the consumer range) for music listening - Asus Xonar STX and headphones Sennheiser HD555. I was hoping this should be enough for beginner who is not sure if playing the guitar is really something for him.

2) If above works, how loud is electric guitar (when connected to headphones)? Is it something that during the day neighbors will not hear or they will not hear it even at 1 a.m. ? I should probably go to some store to check that out, but don't have idea about some in close range, so quick answer would help.

3) From what I have read on Internet, it seems like it is possible to use the computer as some kind of post processing or effect device. Is that true? No horrible delays?

4) If above is true, what is some recommended free and commercial software?

5) This one will be funny and is not related to guitar playing as such, but rather for general work with sound. Is it possible to "map" guitar tones to different sounds? Let me explain what I mean on a simplified example - let's say I "map" a certain tone of the guitar to gun fire sound, map different tone to explosion. Now if one would play the guitar, it would play those sounds when hitting the specific tones.
I would say this is not possible and probably some better device exists for this. But still is this possible in realtime or at least as some kind of post effect (after session has been recorded).

Thanks for reading and for any help.
#2
Dude, you are way too much into the latest technology. Guitar may not be for you. A guitar is great because it is simple. You plug it into an amp and strum. That's it.
#3
1.) You might be OK running your guitar straight into that sound card but you would probably want to get whats called a DI box. It will convert the High Impedence signal of the guitar into a normal line level.

2.) Yes, Check out Amplitube for starters but their are plenty of AMP SIMULATORS out there.

3.) Google "VST PLUGINS"

4.) Reaper is a great program for whats called "Multi Tracking". Reaper is a DAW or (Digital Audio Workspace). This is the software you would use not only to capture your guitar sound but also to process it and add effects to it such as delay's or distortion etc.

5.) You would be better off with what is called a MIDI controller. I use a 50 dollar m-audio Keystation 49e to make my gunshot sounds! =)
#4
I use a Digitech RP500(You could plug in headphones for silent practice) and it has a bunch of amp models and effects to choose from. I also use Reaper to record riffs/ideas.

You could connect the Digitech RP500 to your pc too with a usb.
Hope this helps.
#5
Thanks for all the answers.

One more question - would it be better to connect the guitar to pc through mic/line in or rather through usb?

What about the loudness of an electric guitar when connected to headphones?

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Dude, you are way too much into the latest technology. Guitar may not be for you. A guitar is great because it is simple. You plug it into an amp and strum. That's it.

Sorry, but I don't think i have explained myself clearly. Connecting to computer is only because I don't want to buy more expensive amp and speaker yet. Plus I don't want to be loud because of neighbors (therefor headphones). 5th point was just curiosity - if i would have a guitar, if it could be used for something else.
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#6
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5th point was just curiosity - if i would have a guitar, if it could be used for something else.

Yeah, there's something called guitar synths, Variax guitars... These guitars don't play guitar notes, rather they play what is programmed into them. The guitar synths trigger a sound. I suppose you could make that sound that is triggered whatever it is you want.

What I said before to you is that you seem to want to use guitar for something else. That's cool. But as I said the real beauty of the guitar is that it is what it is - you strum it and it sounds cool. If you want a guitar to sound like a gunshot, just go to a sound effects page and hit "gunshot." Why spend money on a guitar to do that?
#7
^ dude stop spouting your usual drivel

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ts, don't listen to anything he's saying
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#8
Thanks for the explanation. I really want the guitar for playing. I'm just too curious not to think about the other stuff and ask just to know. Gunshot was an example, I thought about other instruments and crazy experiments. But again, my primary reason is playing the guitar, rest is curiosity.
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#9
don't listen to him, he's an idiot. he turns up every once in a while spouting misinformed crap. IIRC he once had a thread saying pedals weren't "pure" or some such nonsense. Needless to say he was trolled to oblivion, but he keeps coming back periodically.

FWIW, as far as i'm aware you can do everything you've asked about (apart from the mapping thing, I don't know about that), but i'm not too well up on computer-based guitar playing so i'll leave it to others who know better to give you some options.
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#10
I've played around with using my computer as a modeling amp. I'm assuming you have a PC so I can't recommend specific software but on my Macbook I just used an adapter to run an auxiliary cable into the line-in and checked the "monitor" box on Garageband. It has amp sims, stompboxes, the works. As for the loudness, it really depends on your headphones or speakers. Just turn your computer volume up to the max.

Tone was alright on Garageband- I recommend using it just to play around with effects (you can change amp models/effects after recording) or recording a quick demo.
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Quote by ulukai3
Thanks for all the answers.

One more question - would it be better to connect the guitar to pc through mic/line in or rather through usb?

What about the loudness of an electric guitar when connected to headphones?

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1) you can't connect most guitars via USB, they don't have digital outputs. The output of a guitar is low level analog signals, which need a specialized sound card to render on a computer. These exist, and are cool, and will do all that you want, but they are relatively expensive, $200-600. You're describing the monitor circuit on digital mixing software. Look up Pro Tools mixing software and hardware, and you'll see what I'm talking about.

You can buy an amp for the same amount of money, and you probably should start with an amp. But what you are thinking can be done and be done well.

2) If you were using the above mentioned software and headphones, the raw noise of an electric guitar unamplifed is very quiet. Your neighbors will not hear it.

3) there are devices which will let you plug your guitar directly into headphones with no computer involved. Some amps have a headphone output which cuts out the speakers. These might be cleaner solutions for your need. Google "electric guitar headphones"

Good luck in getting started.
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#12
Thanks guys for all the helpful information. Looking forward getting started
#13
One more question, is a guitar with a $250 price tag good enough for a beginner not to discourage him with horrible sound (that even pro couldn't make it sound better) beyond the horrible sound beginner will do on the guitar

I think what I want to ask is that generally, for beginners, in all sorts of interest areas, cheap device is recommended for starters (to find out if it's something for you and so on), but on the other hand, I don't want to go too cheap so that the horrible device would discourage me beyond the horrible sound as beginner I would make on the device.

I mean guitars like these:
http://www.lamusic.ca/Yamaha-PAC012-BL-p/pac012bl.htm
http://www.soundslive.co.uk/product~name~Squier---Affinity-Telecaster,-Black-MN~ID~2536.asp

I do realize that's quite cheap (compared to the more expensive guitars), I'm just not sure how cheap-expensive to go for a beginner not to get too bad guitar for starters and also not to pay unnecessarily too much.
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One more question, is a guitar with a $250 price tag good enough for a beginner not to discourage him with horrible sound

Dude, I have a $119 guitar and a $4,000 guitar. At times the $119 one sounds better to me than the $4,000.

What I am saying is sound is very subjective. My cheap guitars can sound just as nice as my high end ones. Cost doesn't really matter. Try out a guitar and if you like how it sounds, then what difference does it matter how much it costs? Believe me, you can get some guitars that will sound great for the $250 you are looking to spend.
#15
It sure doesn't make difference to me if it's expensive or not (besides the fact that more expensive is more expensive and would leave me with less money for other stuff ). I'm asking because there are "tools" where the cheap stuff is really bad and could make it too hard to use it.

I'm glad this doesn't affect guitars and that even cheap ones are relatively good.

Thanks.
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Dude, I have a $119 guitar and a $4,000 guitar. At times the $119 one sounds better to me than the $4,000.

What is this 4000$ guitar? Thrilled, no NGD?
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Quote by ulukai3
It sure doesn't make difference to me if it's expensive or not (besides the fact that more expensive is more expensive and would leave me with less money for other stuff ). I'm asking because there are "tools" where the cheap stuff is really bad and could make it too hard to use it.

I'm glad this doesn't affect guitars and that even cheap ones are relatively good.

Thanks.


it does affect guitars, too.

but you can still get pretty decent guitars for cheap.

and if you know what you're doing (and/or are willing to hold out for good deals, shop sales or whatever) you can get pro quality guitars for not that much money.
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#18
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1) you can't connect most guitars via USB, they don't have digital outputs.



This is complete bullsh*t.

Buy a 1/4 to USB cable and you are good to go. You could also get a M-Audio Fast Track which is a USB device that you use for MIDI, Guitars, Mic's etc and they come with ProTools which is a really awesome program and sounds 10x better than Amplitube or Guitar Rig.
#19
Most of the replies have already said anything i'd say, so i'll just relate my experience.

I have a line 6 pod and it emulates the sound of almost any combinations of gear known to man. I would really recommend it to anyone starting out, so you can get a feel for what you'll want to purchase in the long run. It cost about 200$ and comes with a bunch of cool software. You plug one end into your guitar, and the other into your computer. From there you have the option of using headphones with a 1/4" jack, normal headphones and run the sound through your computer, or running it right to an amp.

And I don't know what casino is trying to accomplish except for making himself seem like a retard. I'd take everyones advice and ignore what he says. I'm sure his 4000$ guitar is that gretsch white falcon that he only has google pictures of.
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#21
Thanks again to everybody.

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Buy a 1/4 to USB cable and you are good to go. You could also get a M-Audio Fast Track which is a USB device that you use for MIDI, Guitars, Mic's etc and they come with ProTools which is a really awesome program and sounds 10x better than Amplitube or Guitar Rig.

So would it be better, more practical to use usb cable compared to mic/line in? Are there any disadvantages of usb cable vs mic/line in?

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I have a line 6 pod and it emulates the sound of almost any combinations of gear known to man. I would really recommend it to anyone starting out, so you can get a feel for what you'll want to purchase in the long run. It cost about 200$ and comes with a bunch of cool software.


May I ask which one you have?
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#23
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One more question, is a guitar with a $250 price tag good enough for a beginner not to discourage him with horrible sound (that even pro couldn't make it sound better) beyond the horrible sound beginner will do on the guitar

I think you should buy the guitar that feels best in your hands. Go try some guitars in that price range and buy the best feeling guitar. Because you might not be able to tell which guitar sounds the best but you will always know what feels the best. Sound can be improved by changing the pickups.

Do you need your computer for playing guitar? Because you could buy something like Vox Amplug for about 50 bucks. It has headphone out (well, it's designed to be played with headphones). I don't know how it sounds like but you can check reviews of it.

When I want to record stuff I use my Digitech RP355 because it has USB out. But I think something pretty cheap like Vox Amplug might be good for you because you just want to practice through headphones, right? And you don't need a computer for that. Oh, and maybe some multi effect could also work. Because you wanted effects too? So you could for example buy something from the Digitech RP series (like RP155). It will cost a bit more than Amplug but Amplug doesn't have effects and many sounds. You will have more fun with Digitech. And it has headphone out too and some models have USB out (cheapest models don't) so you can connect it to your computer. And they also include Cubase that is a recording program.

And you wanted to have explosion etc. effects? Well... There are guitar synths but easier and cheaper way to get them is to buy a keyboard. You just don't need guitar for that. Of course it's cool to get something like piano sound and saxophone sound with your guitar but easier way is to buy a keyboard.
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Thanks again to everybody.


So would it be better, more practical to use usb cable compared to mic/line in? Are there any disadvantages of usb cable vs mic/line in?




USB is better and more practical. The audio quality and latency will be better with a USB connection than a line in connection.

The POD is good too, though it will cost you $100 more than a M-Audio Fast Track.
#25
you could always just buy a shity 10 watt amp for like 50 bucks used. Then your done in stead of buying a chord and programs and and installing and so on
#27
Get a pod xt or another cheap guitar multieffects box. You can plug straight into it and listen on headphones. You can also control it on the computer by hooking up usb. You can find those things cheap on craigslist or ebay. Or around a 100 bucks new.