#1
ill be playing mainly metal, thrash, should i get a 6505 112 with speaker upgrade and tube upgrade, or mini rectifier, price isnt the issue i know ill be buying a cab with the mini.

which would be better? ill be playing in my apt, reg volumes. no plans for rehearsal or gigging.

or possibly other amp options that are high quality and better than these? home use oriented.
Last edited by Axxion24 at Dec 28, 2011,
#2
I like the 5150, but I'd take a Mesa over one anyday.
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You should'nt even consider the Mini Recto when an EVH 5150 50W costs just the same and has 2x the wattage and 6L6s like REAL rectos have.
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the lower watts of the mini recto i thought was good for home use? if i want to crank it to get good sound without disturbing the general public i thought lower watts was better? i was thinking more quality sound over volume. or are those heads you guys suggested better for metal?
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The Mini Recto is an OP'd piece of garbage compared to the 50W 5150.

how so? didnt they both come out this year? where can i check out some vids/reviews of the 5150?
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The Mini Recto is an OP'd piece of garbage compared to the 50W 5150.

No way. Both are great amps. They both impressed me when I played them. It really comes down to they have a different feel for metal sounds. The 5150 did seem more versitile to me, however.

The 6505 112 isnt in the league with the two mentioned above.
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The Mini Recto is an OP'd piece of garbage compared to the 50W 5150.

Are you talking about the EVH 5150III or the 6505+ combo? Yes I'd take the 5150 III, but that wasn't the question.
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Are you talking about the EVH 5150III or the 6505+ combo? Yes I'd take the 5150 III, but that wasn't the question.


well i asked the question thinking these were some of the best amps in my price range, im willing to spend about 1300 on a head, maybe more, but some of my concerns are sound quality/volume because ill be playing in my apt, and usually you have to turn up tube amps to get a nice sound, otherwise they are muddy and dull. and i really like that mesa hollowed out crunch, and that goes well with the metallica sound i want to have, but any suggestions are welcome, you guys will pretty much be dictating what i get. so please dont be biased (but make sure your tubes are), but give all the info you can.
#11
You may want to check out the Jet City Picovalve it is a pretty nice amp and gets nice tones. They are $250 at AMS/zzounds then just get a 1x12 or 2x12 cab.
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well i asked the question thinking these were some of the best amps in my price range, im willing to spend about 1300 on a head, maybe more, but some of my concerns are sound quality/volume because ill be playing in my apt, and usually you have to turn up tube amps to get a nice sound, otherwise they are muddy and dull. and i really like that mesa hollowed out crunch, and that goes well with the metallica sound i want to have, but any suggestions are welcome, you guys will pretty much be dictating what i get. so please dont be biased (but make sure your tubes are), but give all the info you can.


Guess it's your definition of loud My 6505 combo doesn't start sound "right" until it gets to above the level needed to compete with the TV. Below that, it sounds muffled and laid back. It doesn't bad, but it's ont what it should be. Modern high gain amps get their overdrive from the preamp, so it's not like you need to have it at ear bleeding volumes to be metal.

With my mesa cab, my 6505 does a pretty damn good job for Metallica tones. Need to tweak a few things if I want to change between older/newer. The new mini recto won't be a bad amp, but it's not the same as a dual rectifier. For the same money new, I'd get the mini 5150 III. Or a used dual recto or maybe luck out on a nicely priced mark IV combo.

And of course there's always the modeling amp route. Vypyr 60 should play nicer with low volume use. Which is the way I'm starting to lean myself.
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Also, take a look at the Baron Snott Watt. Top quality build, low wattage, and high gain.
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You should'nt even consider the Mini Recto when an EVH 5150 50W costs just the same and has 2x the wattage and 6L6s like REAL rectos have.

I would definitely take this advice. I feel like the 5153 would do all that you'd need and then some.
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$437 for the 6505 brand new at amazon though dude.
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I don't like the 6505 1x12. IDK, it just needs that depth of 2+ speakers, and closed back too.

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I don't like the 6505 1x12. IDK, it just needs that depth of 2+ speakers, and closed back too.

Made in China is gross.


6505 112 is a closed back. i had it for a few days and returend it cus guitar center lied and said it was new when it had old tubes and a messed up reverb box, leaving me to find a real amp
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#19
18w is still pretty damn loud. If you think you're going to be able to crank that in an apartment, think again. The Recto also has an EL-84 power section, which I'm not a fan of, especially for high gain. While it does sound significantly better than I thought it would, there's no way in hell I'd pay a grand for that amp.

5150 III Mini > Mini Recto, any day of the week
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18w is still pretty damn loud. If you think you're going to be able to crank that in an apartment, think again. The Recto also has an EL-84 power section, which I'm not a fan of, especially for high gain. While it does sound significantly better than I thought it would, there's no way in hell I'd pay a grand for that amp.

5150 III Mini > Mini Recto, any day of the week



i thought at low volumes, your not even tapping into your power section? meaning the differnece in 6l6 vs el84 or 34, whichever the mini uses, goes out the window as your really just hearing all the preamps and circuitry?

also i cant really find any videos or anything on the 5150 mini, not even a real review, kinda shooting in the dark with finding the right amp.
Last edited by Axxion24 at Dec 28, 2011,
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Take a listen. The sound won't be too much different from the 100 watt either probably.
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Quote by Axxion24
i thought at low volumes, your not even tapping into your power section? meaning the differnece in 6l6 vs el84 or 34, whichever the mini uses, goes out the window as your really just hearing all the preamps and circuitry?

also i cant really find any videos or anything on the 5150 mini, not even a real review, kinda shooting in the dark with finding the right amp.

If that were true, then you could just run a preamp straight to the board, without any power amp and cab modeling, and it'd sound great. If you've ever heard what a distortion pedal sounds plugged directly into a recording interface, then you'd know what I'm talking about.

Of course the power section comes into play. It doesn't matter what volume level you're pushing it at, it will always have a general colorization on the sound. It will make a bigger difference as the volume is pushed, yes, but it's usually quite easy to distinguish between an EL-84 amp and an EL-34/6L6 amp, at very low volumes.
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