#1
So I've recently been thinking about the future of music... I was wondering what more can be done musically, that hasn't been done before..

Sure we can switch around genres and combine them like polka-metal-funk-fusion , but what can we still "create".

It seems a whole lot has already been done in the way of electronic music. (Dubstep being the obvious). Sure we can mess around with computers/synths and make whacky sounding noises but generally the organization or "type" of song is going to be fairly similar..

So what do you think pit?

Will there be another musical invention like Rock and Roll or Jazz or Metal? What else can be done?
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#2
Alot of things, ask people in the 1940's if there was going to be anything after jazz.
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#4
Plenty. Things evolve. If we can move away from mixing genres like jazz and metal with a cellist, while pretending that it is new, there may yet be hope. The millennials seem particularly devoid of artistic vision or merit. Innovation will rest on the shoulders of a future generation.
#5
Tonal music has been exhausted for a long time. Creativity in music is all about texture now.
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#6
Quote by palm mute
Alot of things, ask people in the 1940's if there was going to be anything after jazz.


True but with the giant expansion of communication, everything is out on the table for the whole world.. That wasn't true in the 40's... and electric instruments/synthesizers didn't even exist.

Quote by StewieSwan
Tonal music has been exhausted for a long time. Creativity in music is all about texture now.

Elaborate? What do you mean when you say texture?
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#7
^ And think of all the things today that don't exist yet. In hindsight things are always clearer but people back then had no idea something like Protest the Hero would ever exist.

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Plenty. Things evolve. If we can move away from mixing genres like jazz and metal with a cellist, while pretending that it is new, there may yet be hope. The millennials seem particularly devoid of artistic vision or merit. Innovation will rest on the shoulders of a future generation.

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#8
I'm sure there will be some revolutionary invention which will allow for the continued expansion of music.
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#9
I heard they're gonna add B# and E# notes to freshen things up.

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#10
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^ And think of all the things today that don't exist yet. In hindsight things are always clearer but people back then had no idea something like Protest the Hero would ever exist.


Fuck you, Giant Squid is awesome.


Bear in mind that post-X (X being genre) is code for: Out of ideas. Experimental also largely falls into this category. It is not new, it is an arrangement of cliches.
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Bear in mind that post-X (X being genre) is code for: Out of ideas. Experimental also largely falls into this category. It is not new, it is an arrangement of cliches.


That's not at all what the addition of "post" means.
#12
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Elaborate? What do you mean when you say texture?



Sonic texture. Any genuinely 'new' music is going to be electronic.
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#13
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I heard they're gonna add B# and E# notes to freshen things up.

Trololololol

Actually, that just got me thinking. What if somebody found a way to manipulate instruments and produce a whole new note between each existing note? I know this can already be done by tuning an instrument badly but it could be cool.
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#14
Quote by lilboisX3
Bear in mind that post-X (X being genre) is code for: Out of ideas. Experimental also largely falls into this category. It is not new, it is an arrangement of cliches.

I actually agree with you on the whole slapping a bunch of things together and calling it new not being innovation, my post was just because you happened to describe Giant Squid in your hypothetical band formula. But your analysis of experimental music is a bit flawed, when Bill Justis recorded Raunchy it was pretty experimental. And look where we are now.
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#15
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That's not at all what the addition of "post" means.

Lul, this. In fact it means the opposite.

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Actually, that just got me thinking. What if somebody found a way to manipulate instruments and produce a whole new note between each existing note? I know this can already be done by tuning an instrument badly but it could be cool.

Eastern music already does that with quarter-steps.
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#16
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That's not at all what the addition of "post" means.


It's coded to throw people off. Typically post anything amounts to an emotive version of it's root genre. When the subject matter is not self-pity, it is often an idiots attempt at being profound.
#17
Stoner metal, it's the only way.
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#18
Of course there will be a revolution in music, the problem is we don't know what it will be like because it doesn't exist yet. And if I had any idea what it would be I would already be in the history books.
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#19
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Actually, that just got me thinking. What if somebody found a way to manipulate instruments and produce a whole new note between each existing note? I know this can already be done by tuning an instrument badly but it could be cool.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microtones
It's coded to throw people off. Typically post anything amounts to an emotive version of it's root genre. When the subject matter is not self-pity, it is often an idiots attempt at being profound.

lol wut?
#20
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I actually agree with you on the whole slapping a bunch of things together and calling it new not being innovation, my post was just because you happened to describe Giant Squid in your hypothetical band formula. But your analysis of experimental music is a bit flawed, when Bill Justis recorded Raunchy it was pretty experimental. And look where we are now.


What was experimental about it? The fact that he wrote an instrumental song that happened to be popular? Whoopdeedoo! Ya know how many instrumental songs were written prior to the advent of rocknroll?
#21
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It's coded to throw people off. Typically post anything amounts to an emotive version of it's root genre. When the subject matter is not self-pity, it is often an idiots attempt at being profound.

Examples pls.
#22
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What was experimental about it? The fact that he wrote an instrumental song that happened to be popular? Whoopdeedoo! Ya know how many instrumental songs were written prior to the advent of rocknroll?

If you cannot see the effect that song had on music since then I cannot help you.
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#24
Quote by King Donkey
Actually, that just got me thinking. What if somebody found a way to manipulate instruments and produce a whole new note between each existing note? I know this can already be done by tuning an instrument badly but it could be cool.



That's been done for thousands of years already. The Persians have their own scale with quartertones, as do Indians. More recently there have been western composers who write in microtones. Brace your ears: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPMETWcAwKA


The most recent innovation I'm aware of is progressive tonality, where the pitches of notes are actually shifted during the music. Holy Katana can elaborate if anyone's interested.
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That's been done for thousands of years already. The Persians have their own scale with quartertones, as do Indians. More recently there have been western composers who write in microtones. Brace your ears: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPMETWcAwKA


The most recent innovation I'm aware of is progressive tonality, where the pitches of notes are actually shifted during the music. Holy Katana can elaborate if anyone's interested.

Wow, that sounds so strange! I wish there were more western music and instruments made like that.

Now where is Holy Katana when you need him...

EDIT: Apparently in the Anime Thread.
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#29
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It's coded to throw people off. Typically post anything amounts to an emotive version of it's root genre. When the subject matter is not self-pity, it is often an idiots attempt at being profound.

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#31
Quote by StewieSwan
Sonic texture. Any genuinely 'new' music is going to be electronic.


This.

Every melody has been written. I do think that you can still be unique without being an electronic musician though. If you "write" a melody, lyrics, rhythmic patterns, and put your character in your piece, that still counts as originality in my opinion, but it isn't new or innovative.
#32
Considering every form of music is based on one convention or another, it's all been done already. Whoever said sonic texture is correct.

edit: it was stewie. that slut.
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#33
I'll just take and disagree with y'all. Live music will always be superior, and you can't create wind onstage. I'll take BB King and a couple of blues boys over some hipster and 100,000 dollars worth of equipment.
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I'll just take and disagree with y'all. Live music will always be superior, and you can't create wind onstage. I'll take BB King and a couple of blues boys over some hipster and 100,000 dollars worth of equipment.

You kind of missed the point in this thread.
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You kind of missed the point in this thread.


No, no I really didn't.
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#36
What did scientists say in the 1800's? Everything worth discovering has been discovered. How wrong they were....
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#37
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This.

Every melody has been written. I do think that you can still be unique without being an electronic musician though. If you "write" a melody, lyrics, rhythmic patterns, and put your character in your piece, that still counts as originality in my opinion, but it isn't new or innovative.

But not every melody has been turned into 3 notes max and spammed over and over again for 5 minutes with loads of fuzz.


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Sounds like something Zoot would listen to.


To be fair, it's pretty good >.>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dySLyTgEAOw
Does this count?
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#38
Woah, listening to the stuff with quartertones is trippy. It's kinda like hearing music for the first time all over again for me.
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