#1
Ive been playing for just over a year and three months ago i started to learn this solo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6XX-7f_-N8

I learnt it in about a day and got it to half of the original speed. I've been practising each day since and i just cant get it any faster. For the first week i tried to play it as much as i could hoping i would get there but it didnt work. So i spend the next month playing it about 40 times a day at about 20bpm along to the guitarpro file to get it as clean as possible. It didnt help at all and i just gave up and played it as a warm up/for fun in my guitar sessions but didnt focus on it. Its now been three months and i got my schecter blackjack atx c-7 three weeks ago and its really improved my playing but still this solo seems like something ill never be able to do in my life.

I've tried practising very slow and ive tried practising in time and working my way up and ive tried frenzy-mode but nothing is working!

Why cant i play this faster?!
#2
Because you've only been playing for a year. You need a lot more experience for a solo of that caliber. After a year you should be learning the enter sandman solo or something. It's good that you're ambitious, but you should keep your goals reasonable for where you are.
#3
Yeah man, that solo is brutal. I've been playing for 4 years and I still think that attempting that solo would be a difficult one.

Try working your way up by playing songs that are a challenge but not MIND-BLOWING y'know? For example for me to get better I usually play stuff by August Burns Red... not TOO hard but not a cakewalk either (for me).

Be patient my man, you'll get it eventually :P
#4
Dude... Do you think that you instantly get better over night? It takes years to master an instrument and you've only been playing for a year and some change. It's going to take hours and hours of practice to get better. Keep at it and eventually you'll get there.
#5
I realise ive not been playing too long but i dont see why i cant do this when ive been practising so hard and working on technique at all times. To be more accurate i can play the first bit at full speed but the bit where it speeds up like crazy for the last bit is where i cant play it that well allthough i do hit most of the notes.

Do you think i should just practise that certain bit slowly for another month or something and i might get it?
#6
I hate to say yes and then you're still not there in another month. The thing with guitar, or any instrument, you really need patience. Keep working on it. Work on some other things, too. Don't just focus on the one song. One day you'll realize that you can play it and then you'll move on to the next song. Every one is different - patience, time and practice.
#7
Alright well thanks for confincing me its not just me being terrible. Thing is im 18 and and my mate is a drummer who's been playing for a good six years and i want to catch up with him by practising everyday as long as i can. Sucks that i just have to wait longer...
#9
keep that crap off the forums please

Tom Hess's ego and bank balance are plenty big enough, he doesn't need any more exposure
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#10
It's an article that has good information... Why does it matter who wrote it?

Withholding information isn't really helpful to forum members, in my opinion! The information isn't wrong, and the reasons you mentioned aren't really valid enough to discredit the information... lol

If the information was just plain WRONG, that would be different!
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#11
That guy doesn't write anything that isn't marketing BS or already freely available through many other channels, it's all designed to promote his business and make more money - he's just about the worst culprit on the net when it comes to sneaky advertising techniques.

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I just had a look at your website, now it all makes sense, you're one of his offspring...
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lol well, advertising techniques are designed to make money, yes, it's all about business. But, that actually makes him a better teacher because if he looks for new advertising techniques all the time, it also means he looks for better ways to teach guitar all the time in order to keep students longer and get better results for them! and he does!

I've gotten __massive__ results in a very short period of time working with him so that's why I am pro-Tom!
#13
like charging $17 for an excel spreadsheet?

Who you work with and who you support is obviously your own business, just refrain from promoting him on UG.
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#14
You can't play this solo simply due to the fact you've been playing for a little over a year. I've been playing for 4 and that solo still sounds scary to me (somewhat).

You should really focus right now on getting a good rythym playing down, and simple leads, and slightly challenging solos.

Pushing yourself this early to try and play something of that caliber is only going to hinder you in the long wrong (IE bad technique).

Learn some Metallica dude. It's not that you suck, it's that youre not experienced enough to play it yet.


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You can't play this solo simply due to the fact you've been playing for a little over a year. I've been playing for 4 and that solo still sounds scary to me (somewhat).

You should really focus right now on getting a good rythym playing down, and simple leads, and slightly challenging solos.

Pushing yourself this early to try and play something of that caliber is only going to hinder you in the long wrong (IE bad technique).

Learn some Metallica dude. It's not that you suck, it's that youre not experienced enough to play it yet.
Pretty much this. Been playing for 5 years and I don't even want to try it.
#16
Are you playing with the pick parallel to the strings or do you angle it during the fast runs. Also if you've only been playing for a little over a year it is highly unlikely that you are capable mastering relatively advanced sweeps. Maybe you should try some songs that are challenging but still possible. A good song for this would be selkies, the endless obsession by between the buried and me.
#17
Try to do Dyers Eve by Metallica.

I think it's one of the hardest songs of Metallica, so if you want a challenge, do this song
It's still less hard than the other song you're trying to do.
#18
There's no replacement for time, dedication, and persistence. Just make sure you pay close attention to your technique to make it as efficient and fluid as possible.

If you are losing interest due to a figurative brick wall, try something else that's less difficult and work that technique to perfection. It'll only make things easier in the long run.

I got so angry a few months back because I couldn't do a certain seemingly-simple solo. It was because my economy picking technique was crap. Once I focused on improving it, everything else became easier and it even advanced my ability to learn/memorize licks faster.

Give it time and DO NOT give up on it. Everyone hits a wall at some point and the best way to get through it is to keep trying and parallel those efforts with increasing your proficiency in other techniques as well.

#19
I can't get on youtube (I'm at work and they block it) to see what song you posted.
But I get the impression it's something challenging.

I've been very guilty myself of trying to learn stuff well above my ability, and spending hours and hours not quite cracking the solo I wanted to play.
One problem I'm now finding is that now I'm actually a better player, when I go back to those pieces, I'm still struggling, as all that practice has ingrained mistakes into the way I play them, and it's really hard to shift.

An example is the start of "Cliffs of Dover" by Eric Johnson. I tried to learn it when my picking hand technique was pretty crap, and it's now a lot better. However, when I try to play this song, I keep finding myself picking it the way I learned it at first.

My advice is to stay away from stuff that's way too hard for a while, and go learn something a bit easier, and come back when your technique is better.

I went out and bought an AC/DC tab book, and found that learning to perfect an easier track was better for my playing than failing to master Joe Satriani's shredding.

Hope that helps.
#20

I've been very guilty myself of trying to learn stuff well above my ability, and spending hours and hours not quite cracking the solo I wanted to play.
One problem I'm now finding is that now I'm actually a better player, when I go back to those pieces, I'm still struggling, as all that practice has ingrained mistakes into the way I play them, and it's really hard to shift.

An example is the start of "Cliffs of Dover" by Eric Johnson. I tried to learn it when my picking hand technique was pretty crap, and it's now a lot better. However, when I try to play this song, I keep finding myself picking it the way I learned it at first.

My advice is to stay away from stuff that's way too hard for a while, and go learn something a bit easier, and come back when your technique is better.


Thanks, i've done the same thing before with a few songs andi thought my technique was good enough for this song but clearly i was wrong. Gonna just have to stick to easy stuff for a while...
#21
Keep in mind that when you say you have a part down and at full speed, that doesn't necessarily mean you're playing it well. Certain things just come with time such as small inflections on notes, smooth bends, spot-on phrasing, etc. Since you've only been playing for a short time, you need to realize that you're just not going to be able to do what someone who has probably played 10+ years has done.

Keep practicing.
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I realise ive not been playing too long but i dont see why i cant do this when ive been practising so hard and working on technique at all times. To be more accurate i can play the first bit at full speed but the bit where it speeds up like crazy for the last bit is where i cant play it that well allthough i do hit most of the notes.

Do you think i should just practise that certain bit slowly for another month or something and i might get it?


Ok, first of all, I'm not the greatest authority on this sort of thing, I've only been playing for a month. But it occurs to me that playing that solo, unless you were some sort of prodigy, with a year and three months experience would be about like a middle aged woman who's been driving since she was 16 wondering why she can't win a formula 1 race.

Yes, the pedals are all in the same place.

Yes, she can understand everything going on.

No, she can't compete because if she tried she would be blocked by her own arrogance.

If you want to play that, practice.

Not just that solo, but technique and everything about the guitar. Learn the guitar, not just the song.
#23
I realise ive not been playing too long but i dont see why i cant do this when ive been practising so hard and working on technique at all times.


three months ago i started to learn this solo


The guys in BOO probably practice more than you do and have been doing so for years.

The gap between you is gigantic - you can't bridge it in a year, let alone three months.
#24
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Ive been playing for just over a year and three months ago i started to learn this solo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6XX-7f_-N8


I've tried practising very slow and ive tried practising in time and working my way up and ive tried frenzy-mode but nothing is working!

Why cant i play this faster?!


Well, my first reaction was why would anybody particularly want to play that solo, but different strokes for different folks, I guess.

It is best not to get fixated on any one thing that's a long ways beyond your skill level. Work on it for a little while, then do something else, and come back to it in a couple of months. You get frustrated and blocked and you develop bad habits (because you mold your technique to fit this one specific solo, whether or not that's the best technique to use overall).

The other issue is that it's really really hard to learn a complex piece that you can't hold in your head musically. Given that you've only been playing a year and that that's your choice of solo, I suspect that you haven't worked on your ear much, if at all. This means that you're trying to learn this solo as a physical thing - "finger goes here, finger goes there, then finger goes here."

There's a role for muscle memory in your playing, but it's extremely limited. Let me put it like this: could you sing a pitch-accurate version of that solo? Probably not, huh? Then you're going to find it almost impossible to learn - because you're trying to learn it the wrong way. When you understand what the solo is musically, it becomes much, much easier to play - because technique truly lives in your brain, not your fingers.
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I realise ive not been playing too long but i dont see why i cant do this when ive been practising so hard and working on technique at all times. To be more accurate i can play the first bit at full speed but the bit where it speeds up like crazy for the last bit is where i cant play it that well allthough i do hit most of the notes.

Do you think i should just practise that certain bit slowly for another month or something and i might get it?


All the people saying you've only been playing a year are full of crap.

It's how many hours you're willing to practice. I know a 20 year old who picked up the guitar because he lost his job and was bored. He's been playing less than a year. Thing is he plays 5 or 6 hours a day and his playing is better than many people who have been playing 5 and even 10 years.

He is using planned lessons http://www.justinguitar.com/ yes that's a plug but those lessons are pretty solid for online lessons.
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#26
It's a really hard solo to play. That kind of rapid alternate picking and sweeping is tough stuff. The key is to keep going slowly and build smoothness and economy of motion. Those things will lead to speed over time. If you think it's because you're not taking it faster and that's causing problems, then try to take it half again as fast you have been, then slow down until it's natural feeling. Then build up to that from where you'd been starting. That might help you boost your speed a bit.

That said, you're talking about a really complex arpeggio pattern at fairly high speed. It's good to have something that's clearly beyond your level, but be sure to have some other stuff you're working on that's more at your level so you don't get frustrated and discouraged.
#27
If you have truly mastered the basics - and i mean really mastered them - it's only a matter of time until you get this solo down. If you haven't yet, you might never get it, or, even worse, you will develop bad habits in all other aspects of your playing.
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Ive been playing for just over a year and three months ago i started to learn this solo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6XX-7f_-N8

I learnt it in about a day and got it to half of the original speed. I've been practising each day since and i just cant get it any faster. For the first week i tried to play it as much as i could hoping i would get there but it didnt work. So i spend the next month playing it about 40 times a day at about 20bpm along to the guitarpro file to get it as clean as possible. It didnt help at all and i just gave up and played it as a warm up/for fun in my guitar sessions but didnt focus on it. Its now been three months and i got my schecter blackjack atx c-7 three weeks ago and its really improved my playing but still this solo seems like something ill never be able to do in my life.

I've tried practising very slow and ive tried practising in time and working my way up and ive tried frenzy-mode but nothing is working!

Why cant i play this faster?!


Born of Osiris solos are tricky!
If you've only been playing for two years, it's still impressive for you to play half the solo.
Check out other songs mate.
If you focus too much on just that one song, it will **** up your head, litteraly!
Just keep practicing. Using Guitar Pro is an exelent choice when it comes to learning, and playing guitar. Press F9, for a loop-playing mode, and slowly add tempo, and it will come suprisingly quick, don't you worry.
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#29
some of us dont realize how much time is put into these caliber of solos by the OG artist's..you see them play it and your like oh that seemed kinda easy...patience and time cannont be replaced nor fast forwarded :-)
#30
Correct me if i'm wrong, but what i've inferred from your post is that you tried to play it at maximum speed for a while, gave up, and then played it a lot at just 20bpm. So you practised at a speed that's too fast and one that's too slow.

To get the solo up to speed you need to find a good middle ground; a tempo which is slow enough to play perfectly, and then trying to push through it. You're right to slow it down but going too slow is not going help you play at high speeds because your arms and fingers won't be used to it when it comes to playing faster.

Say the solo was at 180bpm and the fastest you could play it cleanly was at 100bpm, which speeds will benefit you the most? Playing through 60-80 bpm or playing through 100-120bpm? If you can already play it at 100bpm then try and take it further, don't go slower! Practise it 10 times at 100, then 10 times at 110, same for 120, and then go back down to 110 and then back to 100. Feels easier on the way down, doesn't it? Just gradually push yourself further until you can play it even a bit faster than before, if you do this for a couple of weeks you could easily be playing 10 or even 20bpm faster.

Tl;dr - Practise at the fastest tempo you can play and then try and play it faster.
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I've gotten __massive__ results in a very short period of time working with him so that's why I am pro-Tom!


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#32
Definitely way too difficult for someone who's been playing as long as you.

This is how i see a lot of things related to speed and just playing in general..

If the speed is just a tiny step above your limits, practise enough and you'll get there soon enough.

If the speed is much beyond your current limits, no matter how much you practise it's not gonna happen.

Guitar is all about baby steps. You've been playing a year. You will NOT play this solo after a year, and if you think you're playing it, you're not. You're really not.
#33
I've only played a year and I wonder if this would be too complicated for me (though I'm on acoustic :P)

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#35
You've been playing a year...

Thats why you can't play it. Even if you practiced 12 hours a day everyday for a year you still probaably wouldn't be able to play it, it's an advanced piece of music. If you try and force that kind of playing on yourself at this stage then all that will happen is you'll get sloppy.

I guarantee Gilbert wasn't playing stuff like this after a year, he was probably still getting to grips with chord changes and hendrix solos.
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Gilbert was still playing with all upstrokes and just the ring finger of his left hand.

You're well ahead of that, eh TS?


I think i heard somewhere that he has been using all upstrokes for 2 years lol.

Paul must have really worked hard after those first couple of years
#39
Umm ok well do this:

metronome at 10bpm for 2-3 mins
metronome at 30bpm for 2-3 mins
metronome at 20bpm for 2-3 mins
metronome at 40bpm for 2-3 mins
metronome at 30bpm for 2-3 mins
metronome at 50bpm for 2-3 mins
metronome at 40bpm for 2-3 mins
metronome at 60bpm for 2-3 mins
metronome at 50bpm for 2-3 mins
metronome at 70bpm for 2-3 mins

keep doing that until you can't even move your fingers anymore...

obviously, at some point you're going to just be playing crappy and it's not even going to sound like anything, but it doesn't matter... just keep playing sloppy! the thing is, right now you need to train yourself to play faster.

95% of the time, playing sloppy is BAD, and you don't want to do it. but in this case, just do it anyway.. you'll come back the next day and realize that you can play it a little bit faster
#40
i think he probably quit by now...
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