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#1
How does the pit feel about male abortion? Basically its the idea the men should be able to sever all legal obligations towards a child to give men the equivalent choice of abortion that women currently have as the decision to keep,adopt or abort the child ultimately lies solely with the mother, essentially giving her the ability to force parenthood upon the father.

The lawyer that proposed the idea said

'When a female determines she is pregnant, she has the freedom to decide if she has the maturity level to undertake the responsibilities of motherhood, if she is financially able to support a child, if she is at a place in her career to take the time to have a child, or if she has other concerns precluding her from carrying the child to term. After weighing her options, the female may choose abortion. Once she aborts the fetus, the female's interests in and obligations to the child are terminated. In stark contrast, the unwed father has no options. His responsibilities to the child begin at conception and can only be terminated with the female's decision to abort the fetus or with the mother's decision to give the child up for adoption. Thus, he must rely on the decisions of the female to determine his future. The putative father does not have the luxury, after the fact of conception, to decide that he is not ready for fatherhood. Unlike the female, he has no escape route'.
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#2
First of all, when a couple is concerned, abortion is a group decision and loss, not just the mothers.

Second, this just sounds like a shitty excuse for a shitty man to dip out of a shitty situation and ultimately be a shitty dad. Don't like.
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#3
If your going to put up walls of text please don't do it in lime green. Or whatever it is. My shoddy colourblind eyes can't tell.

Edit: I think its probably better than what is about at the moment, as at least it gives the father some rights regarding his offspring, but its still not exactly great. If the man can go through with something like male abortion, he'd not be the type of father I would want anyway.

The whole thing is a grey morality situation.
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#4
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no way dude, i'm getting an airplane outa there. find me then
It's over simplified, So what!

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#5
I think there should be some papers to sign agreeing whether both parties are ready to have children.

If the male never signs it (and goes off to have one night stands) then he should be able to opt out of caring for a child.

Now it's up to you guys to find loop holes.
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#6
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First of all, when a couple is concerned, abortion is a group decision and loss, not just the mothers.

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#7
He can do a runner and change his identity. Hard work though.

I think that better education in contraception would lead to this situation happening less, which would obviously be ideal. However, accidents happen. Men should be able to say that they are not ready to become a father, even if the mother feels she is ready. Sex is natural, it's stupid to pull a Jeremy Kyle and say "Well why were you ****ing out of wedlock in the first place?", and it's better to abort a foetus which would grow into an unwanted (by their own father) child than allow the following misery, arguments, legal disputes to occur which all incur massive costs on social systems and carers.
#8
Sounds like the guy needs to stop being a pussy and man up. He had his choice already.
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#9
If you aren't responsible enough to deal with the fact that giving someone else your sperm has potential bad consequences, you shouldn't be having sex.

Especially if you are having sex with some evangelical anti-choice nutter.


So no, I don't support male 'abortion'. If you are so keen on not having kids, make sure the person you're fucking has the same views as you, else just keep it in your pants. It's not really that difficult to not get someone pregnant.
#10
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I think there should be some papers to sign agreeing whether both parties are ready to have children.

If the male never signs it (and goes off to have one night stands) then he should be able to opt out of caring for a child.



Nah, that's pretty f**ked man...

Either a chick or a dude has to carry around papers everywhere they go(never know when you might get laid ) otherwise if a chick gets preggo then like, shes screwed no matter what?
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#11
As much as it would be great to have an 'escape'

This would just bring less accountability to an already unaccountable society..

Let's get serious on the subject, don't **** around..

#12
1. Abortion should usually be a decision that both participants in the nasty should have a say in, and...

2. The mother should take into account that she might not have the father around to support the child emotionally or financially for extended periods of time, if not indefinitely.
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#14
I think we should only have legal abortions for pro-choice women so they stop spreading, I wouldn't even mind them being mandatory for those evil ****s
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#15
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First of all, when a couple is concerned, abortion is a group decision and loss, not just the mothers.

Second, this just sounds like a shitty excuse for a shitty man to dip out of a shitty situation and ultimately be a shitty dad. Don't like.

This.
I do know several males I'd like to see aborted though.
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#19
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First of all, when a couple is concerned, abortion is a group decision and loss, not just the mothers.

Second, this just sounds like a shitty excuse for a shitty man to dip out of a shitty situation and ultimately be a shitty dad. Don't like.


This. ^

It's simple, if fertile men are not willing to be responsible as a parent, then then should avoid having sex with fertile women which can result in them becoming a parent, even if contraception is used.

It's kinda like, if you are unwilling to take a bullet to the head, you should avoid playing Russian roulette.

It's not a case of the putative father not having the luxury, after the fact of conception, to decide that he is not ready for fatherhood, it's a case of being responsible for one's actions. By having sex with a fertile woman, particularly unprotected sex, one is, in effect, announcing one's readiness for fatherhood.
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#20
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1. Abortion should usually be a decision that both participants in the nasty should have a say in, and...

2. The mother should take into account that she might not have the father around to support the child emotionally or financially for extended periods of time, if not indefinitely.

This
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#21
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If you aren't responsible enough to deal with the fact that giving someone else your sperm has potential bad consequences, you shouldn't be having sex.

Especially if you are having sex with some evangelical anti-choice nutter.


So no, I don't support male 'abortion'. If you are so keen on not having kids, make sure the person you're fucking has the same views as you, else just keep it in your pants. It's not really that difficult to not get someone pregnant.


It's not when your jizz is as potent as mine. People I look at get pregnant. God knows how many children I have thesedays.
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#22
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First of all, when a couple is concerned, abortion is a group decision and loss, not just the mothers.


in ideal circumstances yes but unfortunately it doesnt always work out like that

Second, this just sounds like a shitty excuse for a shitty man to dip out of a shitty situation and ultimately be a shitty dad. Don't like.


yes it can be used like that but its giving men a chance to avoid being a shitty father,just as women can have an abortion and avoid being a shitty dad. just to clarify the father has no connection to the child at all if he chooses 'male abortion'. no child support,no visitation rights, nothing whatsoever
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#23
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If you aren't responsible enough to deal with the fact that giving someone else your sperm has potential bad consequences, you shouldn't be having sex.

Especially if you are having sex with some evangelical anti-choice nutter.


So no, I don't support male 'abortion'. If you are so keen on not having kids, make sure the person you're fucking has the same views as you, else just keep it in your pants. It's not really that difficult to not get someone pregnant.

What if she lied before they had sex?

Is the man supposed to just bend over and accept it?
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#24
Abortion is never a group decision. As much as it should be, it comes down to it being the woman's body. Even if the guy wants the kid, it's up to the woman. So... yeah, I think this is kinda about equality.
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#25
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What if she lied before they had sex?

Is the man supposed to just bend over and accept it?


At the moment, yes.
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#26
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If you aren't responsible enough to deal with the fact that giving someone else your sperm has potential bad consequences, you shouldn't be having sex.

Especially if you are having sex with some evangelical anti-choice nutter.


So no, I don't support male 'abortion'. If you are so keen on not having kids, make sure the person you're fucking has the same views as you, else just keep it in your pants. It's not really that difficult to not get someone pregnant.


Accidents happen though, like i said. I have no objections whatsoever to one-night stands. However, if the condom splits and the girl gets pregnant, then decides against abortion, is it fair to involve the father? It was every much a part of her choice as his to have sex, after all.

You seem to put much impetus on it being the male's responsibility to not get a girl pregnant, rather than it being an equally important responsibility for the girl to not allow herself to get pregnant. I don't think that's just.
#28
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Accidents happen though, like i said. I have no objections whatsoever to one-night stands. However, if the condom splits and the girl gets pregnant, then decides against abortion, is it fair to involve the father? It was every much a part of her choice as his to have sex, after all.

You seem to put much impetus on it being the male's responsibility to not get a girl pregnant, rather than it being an equally important responsibility for the girl to not allow herself to get pregnant. I don't think that's just.



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#29
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Nah, that's pretty f**ked man...

Either a chick or a dude has to carry around papers everywhere they go(never know when you might get laid ) otherwise if a chick gets preggo then like, shes screwed no matter what?

No man. The only people signing these papers are couples who are interested in having kids. No one will be forced to sign it though. But if both parties don't sign it the male partner does not have to stick around to pay child support.
#32
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Well, if you don't want equal rights, I want the right to beat my future wife like in the old times, oh and I also want 4 of em.

Old times? That still happens.

And yeah, the decision lies with the mother, but she also has to live with the consequences of that decision.
#33
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Accidents happen though, like i said. I have no objections whatsoever to one-night stands. However, if the condom splits and the girl gets pregnant, then decides against abortion, is it fair to involve the father? It was every much a part of her choice as his to have sex, after all.

You seem to put much impetus on it being the male's responsibility to not get a girl pregnant, rather than it being an equally important responsibility for the girl to not allow herself to get pregnant. I don't think that's just.


Of course it's just, a person should be held responsible for their actions. That's what 'justice' is all about.

If you don't want kids, then having sex is effectively a gamble, are you suggesting that gamblers shouldn't be responsible when they lose a bet?
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#34
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How're you going to break it to your crabs, bro?
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#35
Something like this COULD work, to protect men from women actively seeking to entrap them. Before the 'dont be so paranoid' speeches begin I speak from experience that there are girls out there who sabotage birth control by lying about taking the pill/pin condoms so it looks accidental when they test positive. This has happened to me personally so no bullshit can be called!

Even if both parties signed to say that it was accidental and the man chooses to renounce the child, someone (IE - the benfits system) will have to pick up a large part of the childcare bill so it could potentially be abused very easily...

Easy option: Carry your own protection guys and use it! Crisis averted
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#37
Wow, I've actually never thought of this before. I have no clue.
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#38
I'm torn on the issue. It makes sense that the father shouldn't have to support an unwanted child, but on the other hand, if the woman can't get an abortion (be it a money issue, personal beliefs or some other problem), then she's now stuck with a kid and the guy gets out of it, no consequences.
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#39
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First of all, when a couple is concerned, abortion is a group decision and loss, not just the mothers.

In a perfect world, this would be the way I feel, but women don't always see it as "our baby" as much as they see it as "my baby," and if she wants to have the kid and I don't think I'm ready to be a father, then I should have a way out, just like she does.
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I'm torn on the issue. It makes sense that the father shouldn't have to support an unwanted child, but on the other hand, if the woman can't get an abortion (be it a money issue, personal beliefs or some other problem), then she's now stuck with a kid and the guy gets out of it, no consequences.


You mean those problems of which the female is consciously aware before she had sex?
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