Page 1 of 2
#1
I have a Fender Mustang III amp and I'm not really sure I can hear difference between my Les Paul and my Schecter? Is this normal? Is it because i'm not using a tube amp?
#2
It's because you're using a cheap modelling amp - over-processing a signal does tend to mask the subtle differences between guitars.
Actually called Mark!

Quote by TNfootballfan62
People with a duck for their avatar always give good advice.

...it's a seagull

Quote by Dave_Mc
i wanna see a clip of a recto buying some groceries.


stuffmycatswatchontv.tumblr.com
#3
Quote by steven seagull
It's because you're using a cheap modelling amp - over-processing a signal does tend to mask the subtle differences between guitars.


This ^
Acoustics:
1994 Seagull SM6
2007 Takamine G5013SVFT

Electrics:
2008 Epiphone Les Paul Standard Plain Top (Cherryburst)
1964 Gibson Melody Maker D (DC)

Amps:
Traynor YGL-1

Pedals
MXR Distortion III (C4 Modded)
#4
Pretty much what they're saying. Play them unplugged and you'll noticed a difference.
#5
unplugged there's already a difference between several guitars, so when you plug them in you'll hear it even better.
Quote by Ulalume
I had a friend who was held at gunpoint as a cashier. The robber told him to give him all the money in the register and what not. Apparently my friend then replied, "Would you like a slurpee with that?"
#6
Quote by steven seagull
It's because you're using a cheap modelling amp - over-processing a signal does tend to mask the subtle differences between guitars.


+1

also, assuming it's a twin humbucker schecter, they're probably not the most far-apart guitars in terms of tone. though you should still hear some difference through a decent amp.
I'm an idiot and I accidentally clicked the "Remove all subscriptions" button. If it seems like I'm ignoring you, I'm not, I'm just no longer subscribed to the thread. If you quote me or do the @user thing at me, hopefully it'll notify me through my notifications and I'll get back to you.
Quote by K33nbl4d3
I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

Quote by K33nbl4d3
Presumably because the CCF (Combined Corksniffing Forces) of MLP and Gibson forums would rise up against them, plunging the land into war.

Quote by T00DEEPBLUE
Et tu, br00tz?
#7
I could hear a pretty big diff even going between a mahogany/maple top emg 81/85 torero to a mahogany/maple top epi lp standard with the same emgs. Through my pod or my old vt30 ss.
That epi was alot brighter.
Tl;dr. Yes.
#8
Most guitars will sound very similar. Guitar manufacturers do not want you to believe that, but it is true.

The real sound difference comes from the amp. The amp is the crucial aspect to one's sound. If I play a Strat and a Rickenbacker into the same amp, the two guitars will sound very similar. If I then play that Fender into a Fender amp and the Ric into a VOX amp, the two guitars will sound very, very different.

The amp is the most important component to one's sound.
#9
Quote by steven seagull
It's because you're using a cheap modelling amp - over-processing a signal does tend to mask the subtle differences between guitars.

nah, i'd say it depends on how much gain he's using.

the clean models on those amps are pretty good actually.
#10
tru dat, although I'll claim that falls under the blanket term of "over-processing"

Quote by CasinoEpiphone
Most guitars will sound very similar. Guitar manufacturers do not want you to believe that, but it is true.

The real sound difference comes from the amp. The amp is the crucial aspect to one's sound. If I play a Strat and a Rickenbacker into the same amp, the two guitars will sound very similar. If I then play that Fender into a Fender amp and the Ric into a VOX amp, the two guitars will sound very, very different.

The amp is the most important component to one's sound.

No you're talking out of your arse.

Do you ever post anything that isn't trolling?
Actually called Mark!

Quote by TNfootballfan62
People with a duck for their avatar always give good advice.

...it's a seagull

Quote by Dave_Mc
i wanna see a clip of a recto buying some groceries.


stuffmycatswatchontv.tumblr.com
#11
Quote by gregs1020
nah, i'd say it depends on how much gain he's using.

the clean models on those amps are pretty good actually.


We aren't saying the clean models don't sound good. I've heard some great clean tones from modelling amps. The problem is that they color your tone too much, which makes the tonal differences between guitars very indistinct.
Acoustics:
1994 Seagull SM6
2007 Takamine G5013SVFT

Electrics:
2008 Epiphone Les Paul Standard Plain Top (Cherryburst)
1964 Gibson Melody Maker D (DC)

Amps:
Traynor YGL-1

Pedals
MXR Distortion III (C4 Modded)
#12
Quote by steven seagull
tru dat, although I'll claim that falls under the blanket term of "over-processing"


No you're talking out of your arse.

Do you ever post anything that isn't trolling?


you beat me to it.
Jumping on dat gear sig train.
PRS Hollowbody II / BKP Warpigs
Strandberg OS6T / BKP Aftermath
Strandberg OS7 / Lace Poopsticks
Skervesen Raptor 7FF / BKP Warpigs
Skervesen Raptor 6 NTB / BKP Juggernauts
Hapas Sludge 7 FF / Hapas Leviathan
Anderson Baritom / Motorcity Nuke BKP Sinner Anderson H2+
Warmoth Baritone / BKP Piledriver
Ibanez Rg2120x / BKP Nailbomb

Blackstar ID:Core Beam
#13
Quote by AcousticMirror
you beat me to it.

I'll delete my post if you've got a better one
Actually called Mark!

Quote by TNfootballfan62
People with a duck for their avatar always give good advice.

...it's a seagull

Quote by Dave_Mc
i wanna see a clip of a recto buying some groceries.


stuffmycatswatchontv.tumblr.com
#14
Honestly, I can only detect a difference between a 2000$ guitar and a 400$ one... It has to be that great of a difference to be noticeable
#15
Quote by steven seagull
I'll delete my post if you've got a better one


I can't even.
Jumping on dat gear sig train.
PRS Hollowbody II / BKP Warpigs
Strandberg OS6T / BKP Aftermath
Strandberg OS7 / Lace Poopsticks
Skervesen Raptor 7FF / BKP Warpigs
Skervesen Raptor 6 NTB / BKP Juggernauts
Hapas Sludge 7 FF / Hapas Leviathan
Anderson Baritom / Motorcity Nuke BKP Sinner Anderson H2+
Warmoth Baritone / BKP Piledriver
Ibanez Rg2120x / BKP Nailbomb

Blackstar ID:Core Beam
#17
LP and Scheter's do have some subtle differences in tone (at least for me) but the main difference is just the appearance. With a good amp you can get similar sounds from both.

Now if you're comparing an LP to a Telecaster, there's a pretty big difference with the cleans
#19
well ya. it's not very good at all.
Jumping on dat gear sig train.
PRS Hollowbody II / BKP Warpigs
Strandberg OS6T / BKP Aftermath
Strandberg OS7 / Lace Poopsticks
Skervesen Raptor 7FF / BKP Warpigs
Skervesen Raptor 6 NTB / BKP Juggernauts
Hapas Sludge 7 FF / Hapas Leviathan
Anderson Baritom / Motorcity Nuke BKP Sinner Anderson H2+
Warmoth Baritone / BKP Piledriver
Ibanez Rg2120x / BKP Nailbomb

Blackstar ID:Core Beam
#20
Quote by Penis Breath


Most guitars will sound very similar. Guitar manufacturers do not want you to believe that, but it is true.

The real sound difference comes from the amp. The amp is the crucial aspect to one's sound. If I play a Strat and a Rickenbacker into the same amp, the two guitars will sound very similar. If I then play that Fender into a Fender amp and the Ric into a VOX amp, the two guitars will sound very, very different.

The amp is the most important component to one's sound





Yeah my JP6 when using the Piezo sounds exactly like a Rickenbacker.


Quote by StonedColdCrazy
I could hear a pretty big diff even going between a mahogany/maple top emg 81/85 torero to a mahogany/maple top epi lp standard with the same emgs. Through my pod or my old vt30 ss.
That epi was alot brighter.
Tl;dr. Yes.



Where did your sig come from? I cant remember ever saying that lol

1977 Burny FLG70
2004 EBMM JP6
2016 SE Holcolmb
#21
Quote by Tom 1.0
Yeah my JP6 when using the Piezo sounds exactly like a Rickenbacker.


Where did your sig come from? I cant remember ever saying that lol



I dunno. It said 'fob To morons on/for xmas'
Someone asked you how many you sold.
#22
Oh

Probably about Spiders then lol

1977 Burny FLG70
2004 EBMM JP6
2016 SE Holcolmb
#23
Mustang III is not crap at all. The presets are but if you take time to find good tones you'll get good tones. I set up a couple settings for my friend and it sounds quite good. There's definitely better amps for the price but I wouldn't say it's crap.

Also, on most amps distortion covers up the differences between guitars
#24
Quote by You Ruined It
Mustang III is not crap at all.


No one said it was crap. Well, if it has a horrible case of the "fizz" then it might as well be.

But through a tube amp it would be more distinct. And your guitars have humbuckers and both will *should* be beefy.

Well, since i've spent countless hours tweaking my mustang, use the twin reverb setting and set the eq at 5.5, turn effects off and set the gain at around 4. You should be able to hear a difference.
Quote by FEngHLyan

She will join the prom.

She insists to wear this lights.

I don't think so.

How can I persuade her?
#26
Quote by BobDetroit
I don't own 6 solid body electrics for the different paint jobs..


If they all have the same pick-ups, you do lol
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
- Stephen F. Roberts
#27
Quote by StonedColdCrazy
I could hear a pretty big diff even going between a mahogany/maple top emg 81/85 torero to a mahogany/maple top epi lp standard with the same emgs. Through my pod or my old vt30 ss.
That epi was alot brighter.
Tl;dr. Yes.

Not so sure about the Epiphone but the Torero just has a maple veneer, so there should be little difference compared to a guitar without it.
Ibanez RGD2127Z w/ BKP Aftermaths
Seagull Entourage Rustic
Peavey 6505 212
Dunlop ZW-45 Crybaby
#28
I can hear a lot of the subtle nuances of a particular guitar's tone very clearly when i'm playing that guitar, it's much easier to spot the difference when i'm using an amp i'm very familiar with, too.
Rig Winter 2017:

Fender Jazzmaster/Yamaha SG1000
Boss TU-3, DS-2, CS-3, EHX small stone, Danelectro delay
Laney VC30-112 with G12H30 speaker, or Session Rockette 30 for smaller gigs
Elixir Nanoweb 11-49 strings, Dunlop Jazz III XL picks
Shure SM57 mic in front of the amp
#29
Some things are more noticible than others. Single coil vs humbucker, etc. Other things you might not pick up while sitting at Guitar Center jamming.
#30
I can spot the differences in tone, as long as the instruments aren't too similar spec-wise of course.

For example the difference between a Strat (alder/ash, bolt on maple neck, singlecoils) and a Les Paul (mahogany/maple top, set mahogany neck, humbuckers) is something everyone should be able to notice, the difference between a Les Paul and an SG is still pretty noticable, while the difference between a Flying V and an Explorer is rather minimal (with both having the same pickups). Of course they will sound somewhat different (even 2 identically built guitars will sound different), but I could not say which one is a Flying V and which one is an Explorer.
Fender American Special HSS Stratocaster
Ibanez 1987 Roadstar II Deluxe
Yamaha THR10X
Marshall JCM900 SL-X
Ibanez WD-7 Weeping Demon Wah
TC Electronic Polytune
Seymour Duncan Tweakfuzz
#31
Quote by JesusCrisp
For example the difference between a Strat and a Les Paul is something everyone should be able to notice, the difference between a Les Paul and an SG is still pretty noticable, while the difference between a Flying V and an Explorer is rather minimal . Of course they will sound somewhat different (even 2 identically built guitars will sound different), but I could not say which one is a Flying V and which one is an Explorer.

U2's the Edge has used just about every guitar you mention in your post, plus he uses Rickenbackers, Epiphones, Gretsches, and all those various guitars sound exactly the same.
#32
Quote by Penis Breath
U2's the Edge has used just about every guitar you mention in your post, plus he uses Rickenbackers, Epiphones, Gretsches, and all those various guitars sound exactly the same.




1977 Burny FLG70
2004 EBMM JP6
2016 SE Holcolmb
#33
Quote by CasinoEpiphone
U2's the Edge has used just about every guitar you mention in your post, plus he uses Rickenbackers, Epiphones, Gretsches, and all those various guitars sound exactly the same.


U2's the edge sounds exactly the same.

who the hell cares about the edge.
Jumping on dat gear sig train.
PRS Hollowbody II / BKP Warpigs
Strandberg OS6T / BKP Aftermath
Strandberg OS7 / Lace Poopsticks
Skervesen Raptor 7FF / BKP Warpigs
Skervesen Raptor 6 NTB / BKP Juggernauts
Hapas Sludge 7 FF / Hapas Leviathan
Anderson Baritom / Motorcity Nuke BKP Sinner Anderson H2+
Warmoth Baritone / BKP Piledriver
Ibanez Rg2120x / BKP Nailbomb

Blackstar ID:Core Beam
#34
Quote by CasinoEpiphone
U2's the Edge has used just about every guitar you mention in your post, plus he uses Rickenbackers, Epiphones, Gretsches, and all those various guitars sound exactly the same.

i think with the amount of FX the edge uses it'd be pretty hard to tell even the most different guitars apart when he plays them.
Rig Winter 2017:

Fender Jazzmaster/Yamaha SG1000
Boss TU-3, DS-2, CS-3, EHX small stone, Danelectro delay
Laney VC30-112 with G12H30 speaker, or Session Rockette 30 for smaller gigs
Elixir Nanoweb 11-49 strings, Dunlop Jazz III XL picks
Shure SM57 mic in front of the amp
#35
Quote by CasinoEpiphone
U2's the Edge has used just about every guitar you mention in your post, plus he uses Rickenbackers, Epiphones, Gretsches, and all those various guitars sound exactly the same.

You want to tell me that you can't hear the Tele-twang/Gibson mahogany warmth/Strat-quack/etc. in his songs while those tones are being repeated again and again and again and again and again and again and again by his wall of delay pedals?

Fender American Special HSS Stratocaster
Ibanez 1987 Roadstar II Deluxe
Yamaha THR10X
Marshall JCM900 SL-X
Ibanez WD-7 Weeping Demon Wah
TC Electronic Polytune
Seymour Duncan Tweakfuzz
#36
Quote by engineno9
Not so sure about the Epiphone but the Torero just has a maple veneer, so there should be little difference compared to a guitar without it.


Both veneers, both maple top under the veneer. I cant explain why the epi was brighter, but the diff was huge! Maybe it was chambered for weight? I've also had a big change in tone from only pots/cap, wiring and a jack swap in an old ibby I have.
Nothing yet has beat the upgrade to bkps though. Such clarity, but still havent found a single coil to match em.
#37
Quote by StonedColdCrazy
I cant explain why the epi was brighter


The Torero has actives. Might be why it sounds dull.
Quote by FEngHLyan

She will join the prom.

She insists to wear this lights.

I don't think so.

How can I persuade her?
#38
I can't Necessilary tell the difference of one guitar to another from listening to recorded music that's been put through a mixing desk by a producer, mastered and then played through any of my substandard radios. I can however tell which of the 4 les pauls the guitarist I tech for uses is playing without seeing.
#39
Quote by JKHC
The Torero has actives. Might be why it sounds dull.


Nope, explained that earlier. Same pickups 81/85.
#40
Quote by jpnyc
Does your Schecter have pickups similar to those on the LP?

I would say this is the best Question here to be able to answer this thread.
My schecter c1 elite has those duncan designed humbuckers that are meant to sound "vintage" And my BCR mockingbird Has the "vintage" voiced Rockfields. Both of these Guitars can sound like a LP.
When I want to do some Zeppilin I grab the C1 always.
With the amp set the same way my other guitars do sound different,with the biggest sound change being from my guitar with EMGs.

So yes, I can tell.
What the hell!!!
Page 1 of 2