#1
I'm deciding that I'm going to upgrade my amp and I will probably buy it used so I can try to get higher quality equipment for less cuz I have a limited budget, around $400. I live in Northern Virginia, and I am looking at getting a metal styled half stack or combo amp (either would be tube).

My biggest question is that I don't know exactly what I should be looking at to make sure what I'm getting wouldn't be defective at all because they will just be trying to sell it and might bend the truth. For instance, one person I am considering buying from told me that all 4 of the speakers in the cab work but then that got me thinking, maybe the speakers themselves could be fine but the tubes are not 100%.

So if you have any advise I'd love to hear it.
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#2
You could probably swing a used peavey 5150/6505 or bugera 6262 for that. They're gained towards metal. You don't really need a stack truthfully.
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#3
I think I saw a used 6202+ that I was also looking at but I'm not really sure exactly how to assess them without really seeing them and playing them. The two that I pretty much got down to were the Peavey 6202+ combo amp with 1x12 and a Randall head with Randall cab with 4x12. And they both were for the same price.
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Quote by NortonDevon
I think I saw a used 6202+ that I was also looking at but I'm not really sure exactly how to assess them without really seeing them and playing them. The two that I pretty much got down to were the Peavey 6202+ combo amp with 1x12 and a Randall head with Randall cab with 4x12. And they both were for the same price.


Oh my head hurts.

Do you mean Bugera 6202, or Peavey 6505?

For your budget, I would get the Vypyr Tube 60 with a sanpera II footswitch, both used.

I think the XXX might be in your price range, not sure.
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#5
Oh I'm sorry, I mean the Peavey.
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Oh my head hurts.

Do you mean Bugera 6202, or Peavey 6505?

For your budget, I would get the Vypyr Tube 60 with a sanpera II footswitch, both used.

I think the XXX might be in your price range, not sure.

Too many numbers thats for sure
I haven't seen that many XXX's recently but I agree that it would be a good amp to check out. The only thing about the Vypyr is that it's a modeling amp. Might be a better idea if you want to be able to cover multiple styles with one amp.
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#7
just ask them:

'is the amp 100% functional with no problems?'
'has it had any problems in the past?'
etc.

if you're buying on ebay, you can see the sellers feedback rating

you could also ask if you could come over and inspect / play it before buying it.
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#8
So in your opinions, would the Peavey 6505+ or the Vyper Tube 60 be a better choice?
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Quote by NortonDevon
So in your opinions, would the Peavey 6505+ or the Vyper Tube 60 be a better choice?

6505+ would be better, but probably not available for $400?

Vypyr tube 60 would be OK, but you gotta crank that power amp to get the tube benefit. Tube pre-amp is a better way to go, but budgets don't always allow for the ideal.

Do you have the means to transport a half-stack? Mine won't fit in my car and it's not practical to throw in the back of an open pickup truck. I have to transport drums that don't fit either, so I got a trailer. That cost more than the half-stack, but less than the drums.
#10
do you every play along with a drummer or do you just play at home?

in other words, low volume or loud as hell?
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#11
make a low but not insulting offer and take either a first or second counter he gives. if you don't do that you may as well hand him an extra $20 bill or two.

however if the listing says "firm" respect the seller and don't make an offer.
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#12
Any time you buy a new tube amp you should buy new tubes. Even if it doesn't need them you will need spares and how would you know how it really should sound if you haven't tried it with fresh tubes. The age of the tubes should be of no concern to you at all.

As for speakers just look at them. Worn out speakers are obvious even to the eye. If they work the electrical part is still ok, the only thing that goes off are the cones.
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#13
Used Valveking? Speaker swap, tube swap, OD pedal, dummy jack mod. Simple shit.
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#14
Tell us what kind of music you're going to be playing, specifically. What bands are you trying to sound like? That makes a huge difference in what we should recommend.

Besides that, you can't go wrong with a Vypyr Tube.

I'm not sure if I'd even recommend anything else in your budget, TBH. Metal amps are a lot more expensive, relatively, than other styles. Amps that are good for metal don't really start appearing until the $500-600+ range, even used.

Again, depending on exactly what kind of metal you're playing.
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#15
Vypyr Tube. I've heard (Have not tested personally) that if you put a 6505 combo and the Vypyr tube on the 6505 setting side by side, they're essentially indistinguishable.
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#16
Quote by souperman08
Vypyr Tube. I've heard (Have not tested personally) that if you put a 6505 combo and the Vypyr tube on the 6505 setting side by side, they're essentially indistinguishable.

Bollocks. They sound pretty good but they don't sound the same.
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#17
Quote by Cathbard
Bollocks. They sound pretty good but they don't sound the same.

Like I said, haven't done it personally. I was surprised by how decent the tube Vypyr was, and I've never been blown away by the 6505 combo, so it didn't seem unrealistic to me.
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#18
Quote by jetwash69
6505+ would be better, but probably not available for $400?

Vypyr tube 60 would be OK, but you gotta crank that power amp to get the tube benefit. Tube pre-amp is a better way to go, but budgets don't always allow for the ideal.

Do you have the means to transport a half-stack? Mine won't fit in my car and it's not practical to throw in the back of an open pickup truck. I have to transport drums that don't fit either, so I got a trailer. That cost more than the half-stack, but less than the drums.


The counter to that would be, if you want power valve overdrive, you have to drive the shit out of any tube amp. Including the 6505. But the whole point of high gain valve and modeling amps is to have the majority of the tone shaping happening in the preamp (or model) section. At TV competing volume, the vypyr 60 probably will sound better than a 6505 half stack. The vypyr I tried a couple weeks ago definitely didn't sound as muffled and lifeless as my 6505 does at that volume.

You should be able to fit a half stack in most cars that have a decent sized trunk. My mesa 4x12 fits in the trunk of a civic. Put your head and guitars in the back seat. And fill up the trink with all your other stuff! but you don't need a half stack to be metal. A good 1x12 combo and mic will do the job
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The counter to that would be, if you want power valve overdrive, you have to drive the shit out of any tube amp. Including the 6505. But the whole point of high gain valve and modeling amps is to have the majority of the tone shaping happening in the preamp (or model) section. At TV competing volume, the vypyr 60 probably will sound better than a 6505 half stack. The vypyr I tried a couple weeks ago definitely didn't sound as muffled and lifeless as my 6505 does at that volume.

You should be able to fit a half stack in most cars that have a decent sized trunk. My mesa 4x12 fits in the trunk of a civic. Put your head and guitars in the back seat. And fill up the trink with all your other stuff! but you don't need a half stack to be metal. A good 1x12 combo and mic will do the job


You're right, he needs...

A FULL STACK!
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You're right, he needs...

A FULL STACK!


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#21
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Tell us what kind of music you're going to be playing, specifically. What bands are you trying to sound like? That makes a huge difference in what we should recommend.

Again, depending on exactly what kind of metal you're playing.


I'd be trying to replicate bands like August Burns Red, A Day To Remember, Parkway Drive and Bring Me The Horizon
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#22
Quote by NortonDevon
I'd be trying to replicate bands like August Burns Red, A Day To Remember, Parkway Drive and Bring Me The Horizon

3/4 of those bands are sponsored by Peavey, and play 6505s.

http://www.peavey.com/artists/
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#23
I think the Vypyr 60 sounds better than the 6505+112 and hella more versatile. It can get a little 'digitally' around the edges but most of that can be dialed out. It has an analog front end btw and yes, most of what you play is preamp gain. The Vypyr is def more bedroom friendly but may not be as gig friendly.
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I'd be trying to replicate bands like August Burns Red, A Day To Remember, Parkway Drive and Bring Me The Horizon



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Quote by NortonDevon
...

My biggest question is that I don't know exactly what I should be looking at to make sure what I'm getting wouldn't be defective ...

So if you have any advise I'd love to hear it.

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Quote by DarthV
The counter to that would be, if you want power valve overdrive, you have to drive the shit out of any tube amp. Including the 6505. But the whole point of high gain valve and modeling amps is to have the majority of the tone shaping happening in the preamp (or model) section. At TV competing volume, the vypyr 60 probably will sound better than a 6505 half stack. The vypyr I tried a couple weeks ago definitely didn't sound as muffled and lifeless as my 6505 does at that volume.

You should be able to fit a half stack in most cars that have a decent sized trunk. My mesa 4x12 fits in the trunk of a civic. Put your head and guitars in the back seat. And fill up the trink with all your other stuff! but you don't need a half stack to be metal. A good 1x12 combo and mic will do the job


My tube amp is a Marshall JVM 410h. From 0 - .25 (master volume, with channel vols and gains dimed) you can't hear it at all. From .25 - 2 it's got great tone and won't make you deaf in the first 15 minutes. Above 3 is too loud for any venue I've played, even going through 1x10 cab. It sounds just as good plugged direct into a PA or recording console from the emulated speaker out without even turning on the power section. I've tried cranking the master volume with lower channel volumes, but there wasn't any point.

I cranked the master volume once to 10, and the tone stayed the same, but it literally shook tab books off the shelf across the room in under a minute.

4x12 cabs may fit in a lot of cars, especially 4-doors and hatchbacks, but they won't fit in an SN95 Mustang chassis unless it's a convertible with the top down. I doubt they'd fit in a current generation 'Stang, either. Not enough space between the tail lights, not enough deck lenght on the trunk, and the console gets in the way of fitting it into the back seat.
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+1


A 6505/5150 will do just fine, maybe a boost and a noise gate
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Quote by DarthV
The counter to that would be, if you want power valve overdrive, you have to drive the shit out of any tube amp. Including the 6505. But the whole point of high gain valve and modeling amps is to have the majority of the tone shaping happening in the preamp (or model) section. At TV competing volume, the vypyr 60 probably will sound better than a 6505 half stack. The vypyr I tried a couple weeks ago definitely didn't sound as muffled and lifeless as my 6505 does at that volume.

You should be able to fit a half stack in most cars that have a decent sized trunk. My mesa 4x12 fits in the trunk of a civic. Put your head and guitars in the back seat. And fill up the trink with all your other stuff! but you don't need a half stack to be metal. A good 1x12 combo and mic will do the job


Quote by 311ZOSOVHJH
I think the Vypyr 60 sounds better than the 6505+112 and hella more versatile. It can get a little 'digitally' around the edges but most of that can be dialed out. It has an analog front end btw and yes, most of what you play is preamp gain. The Vypyr is def more bedroom friendly but may not be as gig friendly.


+1 to both of these. I own a Vypyr Tube, and just recently got rid of my 5150.
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Quote by NortonDevon
I'd be trying to replicate bands like August Burns Red, A Day To Remember, Parkway Drive and Bring Me The Horizon

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do you every play along with a drummer or do you just play at home?

in other words, low volume or loud as hell?

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