#1
Sense make it title does not, I know. But seriously:

So as you may or may not know, I own a Jet City JCA100h. It's a clone of a Soldano Hot Rod 100, but it's not a Soldano. It may sound close, but it's still not the real deal no matter what they say.

I've played the Soldano Hot Rod (No plus), Avenger, and Hot Rod Avenger, and they all did what my Jet City can do, but better. My question is, how do I make my Chinese clone sound almost exact to the real deals?

A tube swap is the obvious first step; get rid of the stock communist tubes, load it with some Rubies. But what else? Any other mod required to make it faithful to the original ?

Not trying to turn it into an SLO ('cause I've heard that requires more complex shit to be done), just close to the Hot Rod.
#2
Quote by Ian_the_fox
Sense make it title does not, I know. But seriously:

So as you may or may not know, I own a Jet City JCA100h. It's a clone of a Soldano Hot Rod 100, but it's not a Soldano. It may sound close, but it's still not the real deal no matter what they say.

I've played the Soldano Hot Rod (No plus), Avenger, and Hot Rod Avenger, and they all did what my Jet City can do, but better. My question is, how do I make my Chinese clone sound almost exact to the real deals?

A tube swap is the obvious first step; get rid of the stock communist tubes, load it with some Rubies. But what else? Any other mod required to make it faithful to the original ?

Not trying to turn it into an SLO ('cause I've heard that requires more complex shit to be done), just close to the Hot Rod.

I believe its going to take some serious component swapping and OTs?
#3
new transformers.
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#4
Quote by AcousticMirror
new transformers.

This, but good luck getting one of those Soldano Transformers.
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#5
you can get a set of onetics. it's close enough. they are 600 for the set.
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#7
Soldano uses proprietary OT and you can not buy them. I'm pretty sure Soldano will not put them in anything other than a real Soldano.
However Yamaha used to make a SLO clone (that Soldano designed)and Soldano will do some mods to it to make it more like a Soldano. So in therory he may mod yours. FJA can do some pretty handy mods, but by the time you get done paying for all the mods, you'd be about at the price of buying a Hot Rod Avenger. Just something to think about.
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#9
Quote by AcousticMirror
you can get a set of onetics. it's close enough. they are 600 for the set.
Ouch, unfortunately don't think I'd be able to get a set of those. Due to cost, the transformers will have to be left out. New tubes are already going to be running me a good $150.

Are the transformers the only other thing aside from a tube swap that differ the JCA100h from the actual Hot Rods (aside from cheaper circuit boards, etc.)? I've heard the stock Chinese tubes they're loaded with do a lot in terms of limiting the sound, the preamp ones in particular. What percentage would the new tubes cover in terms of making it sound more accurate?

It doesn't need to sound 100% accurate, but I'd at least like to make it 90%. Right now it's about 70% of sounding like a Soldano, so... It needs to be about 20% cooler.

Also, does Ruby not make 5881's? I thought for some reason they did but I guess not. Can't seem to find any.

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#10
Sell the jet city and buy the soldano
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#11
While I could be original and say to just buy a Soldano, I'm going to link you this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWpDgHxfFiw

That's for the SLO mod done by a guy at Titan. It's obviously not going to make it sound more like a Hot Rod (so if that's what you really are after then it's not for you) but apparently it likens the tone more towards a Soldano SLO without it being nowhere near the 4000 dollar price tag. The mod is supposed to only cost 250 dollars.

edit: but of course, nothing will actually replicate the sound if your ears are that keen without getting the real deal. And if what you want is the Hot Rod's sound but you don't care for the SLO then you may be out of luck.

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#12
the transformers are pretty much the only difference.

the 5881 is just a 6l6. the slo and the avenger come with chinese tubes anyway.

the 100 sounds pretty close the hot rod avenger.

the hot rod avenger doesn't sound that close to a slo100.
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#14
I built a slo clone for myself.

I can't clone something that I've never played. You sending me your vh4?
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#16
Min (AcousticMirror) is right. If you want to nail the true SLO tone and feel, you are gonna have to spring for a new OT. You don't necessarily need to get a new PT, that isn't really gonna be vital. But an OT and choke from O'Netics will make the absolute biggest difference for your money. Forget tubes, forget all the other crap.

And FWIW, you don't need to source DeYoung's. O'Netics makes all the transformers for Soldano amps except for the SLO. The reason they don't make the factory SLO trafos has to do solely with paying respect to DeYoung. But an O'Netics replacement will be identical.
#17
Ruby don't make anything - they rebrand. Seeing as how a 5881 was a military grade 6L6, a Sovtek or Shuguang version would be pretty pointless don't you think? It's hardly going to be equivalent to a military tube. You'd be better off with a SED or JJ 6L6.

Listen to Craig and Min. What you need is an O'Netics output transformer.
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#18
if my schem of the jca 100 is correct, it's literally the same circuit as the slo100.
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#19
What sort of things like signal caps are used in the JCA compared to an SLO?
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#20
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What sort of things like signal caps are used in the JCA compared to an SLO?


IIRC, the SLO only uses Orange Drops. So I can't imagine the JCA is using something that is much (if at all) worse.
#21
I'm gonna start using russian military pio's. Got some on order directly from Russia thanks to ebay. Gotta love ebay, they're a 10th the price of orange drops.
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#22
the slo uses the 715p polyprop orange drops for the signal path, polyester 1uf for the cathodes.

my jca20 was polyester all around, it looks like the jca100 is as well.
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#23
Quote by Cathbard
I'm gonna start using russian military pio's. Got some on order directly from Russia thanks to ebay. Gotta love ebay, they're a 10th the price of orange drops.



all caps sound the same though.
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#24
Quote by AcousticMirror
the slo uses the 715p polyprop orange drops for the signal path, polyester 1uf for the cathodes.

my jca20 was polyester all around, it looks like the jca100 is as well.


The money they charge and they can't even put 716's in it?
#26
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The money they charge and they can't even put 716's in it?


maybe it is the 716. I dunno, it's whatever horribly bloated craptastic propylene film/foil orange drop that's popular.
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#27
Not just that. Russian PIO's will look cooler.
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#28
Off topic, but it would be fun to swap the badges on a JCA100 and SLO100 and anything that identifies one from the other apart from the badges and do a comparison vid/clips and see who can actually tell the difference.
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Off topic, but it would be fun to swap the badges on a JCA100 and SLO100 and anything that identifies one from the other apart from the badges and do a comparison vid/clips and see who can actually tell the difference.


wouldn't be that hard.

i could do it by smell.

ooh that reminds me. need more russian pio caps.
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#31
Quote by AcousticMirror
wouldn't be that hard.

i could do it by smell.

ooh that reminds me. need more russian pio caps.

Yeah I mean someone without the benefit of having owned a SLO100 haha
#32
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While I could be original and say to just buy a Soldano, I'm going to link you this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWpDgHxfFiw



Linking FastRedPonyCar's videos renders your post invalid. That dude could make an MG sound like an SLO.

Well not literally, but the dude can play... and he always has amazing tone... And he's had just about every awesome amp I can imagine.



That thing did sound freakin' amazing though.
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#33
i didn't like that demo at all. hurrmm.
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