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I auditioned for a band the other day and i didn't make it, but the weird thing is why I didn't get accepted. They loved my guitar playing and didn't take me in is because I don't have and amp and cabinet set, i have a 120 watt combo (BTW this is a new amp, so i don't need a new one.)

The reason I don't have a big stack amp is due to financial limitations, or I would have a Marshall stack by now. I was actually told that i was unprofessional because i didn't own a amp and cabinet. I found this to be crappy thinking on their part, because as long as your amp has good tone, does it matter? Plus I don't see why volume would matter because you can mic an amp ( I was told that too, besides tone)

So what do you guys think? Is that big of an amp always necessary?

P.S. I hope this isn't in the wrong section, i just didn't think any of the other forum sections were appropriate


Discuss
Last edited by BrianFantana at Jan 5, 2012,
#3
Well it depends on how big they plan on getting. If they plan on playing in front of 10 people in a basement then yeah they were jerks. If they plan on making music that draws a bigger audience then yeah Half Stacks are the way to go.
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Quote by thenextkirk92
They don't know what they are talking about. Sounds like you got lucky.

That is what i was thinking, whilst walking out the door.
#5
Usually with larger shows your amp would be miced anyway. Even small shows you could get away with a Tiny Terror.
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#6
Quote by Jako215
Well it depends on how big they plan on getting. If they plan on playing in front of 10 people in a basement then yeah they were jerks. If they plan on making music that draws a bigger audience then yeah Half Stacks are the way to go.

Were talking about a "were rich so we have giant Orange 4x12 stacks as our first amps." Plus if you didn't invest in a PA system that is made out of cardboard you can mic an amp. People still use VOX AC30's because of the amazing tone, in big bands, and they mic them live.
#7
Half stacks push more air. That's probably why they wanted one.
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#8
that's a pathetic reason. hopefully you'll be better off without them
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#9
It would definitely have the volume. Aesthetically a half stack would be better, especially if they're a metal band or something but i don't think it's worth turning you down over.

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Quote by Jako215
Well it depends on how big they plan on getting. If they plan on playing in front of 10 people in a basement then yeah they were jerks. If they plan on making music that draws a bigger audience then yeah Half Stacks are the way to go.

he has a 120 watt amp. how much bigger can you go? there isn't THAT much difference between a combo and a half-stack that you'd have to deny them from being in the band
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#12
You probably just really sucked and they didn't want to hurt your feelings, so they invented some shitty excuse.
#13
Quote by JAHellraiser
he has a 120 watt amp. how much bigger can you go? there isn't THAT much difference between a combo and a half-stack that you'd have to deny them from being in the band

This is what i told them.
#15
Quote by Portuguese_boy
You probably just really outplayed the other guitarist, and they didn't want you to outshine him, so they invented some shitty excuse.


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#16
Quote by thenextkirk92
BTW, what combo do you have?

This. I know it's a modeling amp, but this is THE modeling amp to get, if you get one.
#17
Quote by BrianFantana
This. I know it's a modeling amp, but this is THE modeling amp to get, if you get one.


Yeah, that or a Bogner Spider.
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#19
Quote by thenextkirk92
Yeah, that or a Bogner Spider.

I didn't really like the Bogner's tone. I don't know why
#20
A 120 watt combo oughtta be loud as fuck. I have a Twin Reverb - 85 watt 2x12 combo, y'all know that - I play with a loud drummer & bassist & I've never had to turn the volume past 4. These cats are either bullshittin' ya or too dumb to be worth playing with anyway.
#21
You not only can play stadiums with any amp if you mic it up, many people frequently do, including the Edge of U2 who often uses an AC30 combo on stage. And if they're playing more small time gigs then a 120 watter is more than enough.

Those guys are too fucking retarded to worry about. Forget about 'em.
#23
Quote by BrianFantana
This. I know it's a modeling amp, but this is THE modeling amp to get, if you get one.


You got rejected because you have a crappy amp. That's pretty much it. People mic up AC30's because they have great tone, especially cranked. I'm not trying to kick your spirits down but if you're looking at playing shows and being moderately successful then having a Peavey Vypyr on a stage is a no-no.

Bands generally like halfstacks because it fits the "image" of a professional band. Many great Fender and Vox amps are combos that get mic'd. To clarify if I was auditioning guitarists for a band and they came in with a Vypyr I'd reassess my evaluation of them, if they where GOOD i'd ask them to join but sell the amp for something a bit more.....tonally pleasing?
Last edited by Nirvana_RATM2 at Jan 5, 2012,
#24
Quote by Nirvana_RATM2
You got rejected because you have a crappy amp. That's pretty much it. People mic up AC30's because they have great tone, especially cranked. I'm not trying to kick your spirits down but if you're looking at playing shows and being moderately successful then having a Peavey Vypyr on a stage is a no-no.

Bands generally like halfstacks because it fits the "image" of a professional band. Many great Fender and Vox amps are combos that get mic'd. To clarify if I was auditioning guitarists for a band and they came in with a Vypyr I'd reassess my evaluation of them, if they where GOOD i'd ask them to join but sell the amp for something a bit more.....tonally pleasing?

I'm sorry but this isn't a standard Vypyr ... this is a TUBE Vypyr, so it doesnt have that nasty modeling tone the regular one does. By the way, "image" is also something you shouldn't really need to follow, because your music should speak for itself. "Image" is what is wrong with the music industry today.
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Quote by BrianFantana
I'm sorry but this isn't a standard Vypyr ... this is a TUBE Vypyr, so it doesnt have that nasty modeling tone the regular one does. By the way, "image" is also something you shouldn't really need to follow, because your music should speak for itself. "Image" is what is wrong with the music industry today.


Image has been half of the world of rock music for as long as rock music has existed. It's a culture--most listeners want a lifestyle and a community as much as or more than they want something decent to listen to.

Yes, it's dumb when it gets in the way of good music, but image is not some modern sickness, it's in the very fabric of all genres of popular music.
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Quote by BrianFantana
I'm sorry but this isn't a standard Vypyr ... this is a TUBE Vypyr, so it doesnt have that nasty modeling tone the regular one does. By the way, "image" is also something you shouldn't really need to follow, because your music should speak for itself. "Image" is what is wrong with the music industry today.


It doesn't matter if it's not a "standard" Vypyr, the fact that it is "tube" is irrelevant. It's a hybrid amp. If these people had Orange half-stacks it is not going to even hold a candle near them. I'm glad you feel that image has no place in music but if you want to be successful then it's a determining factor. It's why every rock band I can think of has a backline of killer gear, when you show up to a show if you see a Peavey Vypyr you equate the band to a bunch of high school kids who play metal, or a band with a tone-deaf guitarist. If you show up to a show and the backline is a halfstack, you can see them as at least a "working class band". You don't need a halfstack, but you do need a better amp. The fact of the matter is a Vypyr simply isn't a gig-worth amp.....it has a god damn USB out haha

Having a decent amp is more of a sign that you take your music career seriously and actually invest time and money into creating a sound....
Last edited by Nirvana_RATM2 at Jan 5, 2012,
#29
Quote by Nirvana_RATM2
It doesn't matter if it's not a "standard" Vypyr, the fact that it is "tube" is irrelevant. It's a hybrid amp. If these people had Orange half-stacks it is not going to even hold a candle near them. I'm glad you feel that image has no place in music but if you want to be successful then it's a determining factor. It's why every rock band I can think of has a backline of killer gear, when you show up to a show if you see a Peavey Vypyr you equate the band to a bunch of high school kids who play metal, or a band with a tone-deaf guitarist. If you show up to a show and the backline is a halfstack, you can see them as at least a "working class band". You don't need a halfstack, but you do need a better amp. The fact of the matter is a Vypyr simply isn't a gig-worth amp.....it has a god damn USB out haha

Having a decent amp is more of a sign that you take your music career seriously and actually invest time and money into creating a sound....

I was just using Orange as an example he had this which is a modeling hybrid as well. The USB out is for computer recording only.
EDIT: i should also mention that i own one of these as a 100 watt combo as well, and it isn't very good IMO
Last edited by BrianFantana at Jan 5, 2012,
#30
I'd never reject someone on the grounds that they didn't have top-of-the-line shit, but I guess it's different on account of I come from a DIY punk break-all-the-rules-about-being-in-a-rock-band-&-just-do-yr-thing mindset.

Image is about having hot licks & rock star swag, not fancy amps.
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Quote by BrianFantana
I was just using Orange as an example he had this which is a modeling hybrid as well. The USB out is for computer recording only.


I know what it is used for....

Oh wow. In this case I was wrong you didn't audition for a semi-professional band who was afraid of your gear bringing the band down a beg. You auditioned for a HS band where the douchebag guitarists owns an equally bad amp just in half-stack form....thus making him think you need one to. If he had this, your Vypyr is complete valid in use. In my high school band I was using a Crate GFX120 ; it was way more volume than I'd ever need.

Valvetronics / Vypyrs / Spiders are all staples of any HS band....
#32
Quote by neidnarb11890
Image is about having hot licks & rock star swag, not fancy amps.

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#33
Quote by Nirvana_RATM2
It doesn't matter if it's not a "standard" Vypyr, the fact that it is "tube" is irrelevant. It's a hybrid amp. If these people had Orange half-stacks it is not going to even hold a candle near them. I'm glad you feel that image has no place in music but if you want to be successful then it's a determining factor. It's why every rock band I can think of has a backline of killer gear, when you show up to a show if you see a Peavey Vypyr you equate the band to a bunch of high school kids who play metal, or a band with a tone-deaf guitarist. If you show up to a show and the backline is a Marshall, you can see them as at least a "working class band". You don't need a halfstack, but you do need a better amp. The fact of the matter is a Vypyr simply isn't a gig-worth amp.....it has a god damn USB out haha

The only people who are going to pay attention to what kind of gear he has are other guitarists, and five minutes on this site should be enough to convince anyone that guitarists are completely full of shit.

That said, you're not entirely off base. The Vypyr is essentially a budget amp/practice amp. Even the tube Vypyr, the one you have, TS - it's just a practice amp mated to a disgustingly powerful power amp section. There's no reason you can't get perfectly workable tones out of a bone stock Vypyr, but it's also entirely possible that it colored their perception of you, however...
Quote by BrianFantana
I was just using Orange as an example he had this which is a modeling hybrid as well. The USB out is for computer recording only.
EDIT: i should also mention that i own one of these as a 100 watt combo as well, and it isn't very good IMO

If that's really what he's using, then he probably is just being retarded. Fuck 'em.
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Quote by Nirvana_RATM2
It doesn't matter if it's not a "standard" Vypyr, the fact that it is "tube" is irrelevant. It's a hybrid amp. If these people had Orange half-stacks it is not going to even hold a candle near them. I'm glad you feel that image has no place in music but if you want to be successful then it's a determining factor. It's why every rock band I can think of has a backline of killer gear, when you show up to a show if you see a Peavey Vypyr you equate the band to a bunch of high school kids who play metal, or a band with a tone-deaf guitarist. If you show up to a show and the backline is a halfstack, you can see them as at least a "working class band". You don't need a halfstack, but you do need a better amp. The fact of the matter is a Vypyr simply isn't a gig-worth amp.....it has a god damn USB out haha

Having a decent amp is more of a sign that you take your music career seriously and actually invest time and money into creating a sound....


So wait... I was looking at getting a Peavey Vypyr 75 watt for gigging. Can you suggest me a better amp for around the same price?
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Quote by Nirvana_RATM2
I know what it is used for....

Oh wow. In this case I was wrong you didn't audition for a semi-professional band who was afraid of your gear bringing the band down a beg. You auditioned for a HS band where the douchebag guitarists owns an equally bad amp just in half-stack form....thus making him think you need one to. If he had this, your Vypyr is complete valid in use. In my high school band I was using a Crate GFX120 ; it was way more volume than I'd ever need.

Valvetronics / Vypyrs / Spiders are all staples of any HS band....

Or just people making due with what they can afford at the moment
#36
Quote by stealstrings
So wait... I was looking at getting a Peavey Vypyr 75 watt for gigging. Can you suggest me a better amp for around the same price?


What style / Sound are you looking for?
#37
Quote by stealstrings
So wait... I was looking at getting a Peavey Vypyr 75 watt for gigging. Can you suggest me a better amp for around the same price?

Step 1. Go on craigslist
Step 2. Find used Peavey Classic 30 for $300ish dollars
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Quote by Nirvana_RATM2
It doesn't matter if it's not a "standard" Vypyr, the fact that it is "tube" is irrelevant. It's a hybrid amp. If these people had Orange half-stacks it is not going to even hold a candle near them. I'm glad you feel that image has no place in music but if you want to be successful then it's a determining factor. It's why every rock band I can think of has a backline of killer gear, when you show up to a show if you see a Peavey Vypyr you equate the band to a bunch of high school kids who play metal, or a band with a tone-deaf guitarist. If you show up to a show and the backline is a halfstack, you can see them as at least a "working class band". You don't need a halfstack, but you do need a better amp. The fact of the matter is a Vypyr simply isn't a gig-worth amp.....it has a god damn USB out haha

Having a decent amp is more of a sign that you take your music career seriously and actually invest time and money into creating a sound....


I'm going to have to disagree with this statement. I've had guys who use Mesa's come up and compliment me on my tone, and they always ask me what I use. I tell them straight up, and point to my 60W Tube Vypyr that I mic up.

You just gotta know how to tweak it's knobs baby


That being said, I intend on upgrading to a 6505 half stack soon

No you don't need a bigger amp, thoe guys are just unprofessional.


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Quote by Scowmoo
I'm going to have to disagree with this statement. I've had guys who use Mesa's come up and compliment me on my tone, and they always ask me what I use. I tell them straight up, and point to my 60W Tube Vypyr that I mic up.

You just gotta know how to tweak it's knobs baby

That being said, No you do not need a big amp. 120W as it is is loud as ****.
Those guys are just unprofessional.

Exactly ... Your tone should suit YOU and YOUR MUSIC, not the world's norm.
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Image is about having hot licks & rock star swag, not fancy amps.


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#40
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What style / Sound are you looking for?


Rock and metal, and a decent clean sound.
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