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On my V, I've come across a problem with the tone control. Whenever i use it, it crackles and the tone of the guitar never actually changes. I have rotated the pot hundreds of times to get rid of the crackling and the problem still persists over doing it for several days. The pot does absolutely nothing to the tone of the guitar. When i roll it off, the high end frequencies of the guitar don't change. Whenever i rotate the pot, it just crackles and pops. Sometimes when i have the tone pot at certain positions and leave it, the guitar buzzes and hums loudly I have checked the wiring on the inside of the guitar and the connections are good. What can i do?

One possible thing that might have caused it was when i bought it and took the plastic covering off the pick guard. I removed the knobs to get to the plastic underneath them. Could this by any chance have damaged the pots?

Edit: I've noticed that the pot does occasionally cut the high end off momentarily, but then it just crackles and goes back to as if the tone was on full.
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If I were you I'd just get a new pot. You can get really good ones for around £10 and it wouldn't be hard to install
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If I were you I'd just get a new pot. You can get really good ones for around £10 and it wouldn't be hard to install


I want to try to avoid doing that. If i have to do that, I want a pot that is officially Gibson stamped and that can be expensive.
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Changing a pot is really no big deal. It's a small repair and a new CTS pot only cost a few bucks.

Gibson uses Bourn pots. You could probably find one online somewhere for cheap. Yeah, it probably won't be stamped, but really, who cares? It's not as if you are going to be looking at it.
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I want to try to avoid doing that. If i have to do that, I want a pot that is officially Gibson stamped and that can be expensive.

To be quite honest, it sounds like the pot might just be knackered. Don't bother with a Gibson pot, you'll pay way over the odds for the logo. Dimarzio do some good ones
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I want to get a Gibson one because in case i want to sell it, i want the parts to be all original.
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In all honesty, a pot will make Zero difference in resale. and TBH, most aftermarket Pots you can get are an improvment, Unless you get a £2 Chinese Jobby.
If your that anal about it, sell it on with a crackle and lose more. ?


I'm not planning on selling it, its just that i want the guitar exactly how it was when i bought it new. Putting on aftermarket parts, no matter how subtle, will always devalue the guitar.
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The easiest solution is to spray contact cleaner on the underside of the pot and then rotate the control back and forth a few times, it usually does the trick.

Another option is to replace the pot but hang on to the original, then reinstall it if you choose to sell you guitar.
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The easiest solution is to spray contact cleaner on the underside of the pot and then rotate the control back and forth a few times, it usually does the trick.

Another option is to replace the pot but hang on to the original, then reinstall it if you choose to sell you guitar.


I thought that just cleaning it would fix it, but the guitar was perfect before i removed the plastic, so it wouldn't make much sense that it just stopped working because dust got into it. I will try it anyway.
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I'm not planning on selling it, its just that i want the guitar exactly how it was when i bought it new. Putting on aftermarket parts, no matter how subtle, will always devalue the guitar.



Dont we all, but with time and use, certain parts wear and need to be replaced, especially pots and switches.

If you want to keep a guitar in original and pristine condition, then right after you buy one, hang it on a wall and never play it.
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A high quality aftermarket pot won't devalue the guitar anywhere near as much as one that doesn't work
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I'm not planning on selling it, its just that i want the guitar exactly how it was when i bought it new. Putting on aftermarket parts, no matter how subtle, will always devalue the guitar.
Dude, no it won't. It will make ZERO difference in value as far as this guitar goes.
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A high quality aftermarket pot won't devalue the guitar anywhere near as much as one that doesn't work


I guess that's true.

What would you guys suggest i get? Any particular make and model?
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I want to try to avoid doing that. If i have to do that, I want a pot that is officially Gibson stamped and that can be expensive.

This is hilarious.

If I go look at a Gibson and its pots don't have Gibson on them, I'm more likely to buy it - the stock ones are shit.

Also, it's an '11 Flying V - how valuable do you think it is?
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#17
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I guess that's true.

What would you guys suggest i get? Any particular make and model?
CTS, Bourn, Dimarzio all make good pots. Gibson uses Bourn pots, if you want to replace with the OEM product. I've always used CTS pots.
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This is hilarious.

If I go look at a Gibson and its pots don't have Gibson on them, I'm more likely to buy it - the stock ones are shit.

Also, it's an '11 Flying V - how valuable do you think it is?


As evidenced in this post, more valuable than you. In which i actually give a fuck for it..

Either add something constructive to the topic or leave.
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#19
Bah just buy gibson pots.
I put 4 into my epi lp at a cost of 15$ cad each.
Never had a problem, keeps it all looking uniform which is a pet peeve of mine.
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As evidenced in this post, more valuable than you.

Either add something constructive to the topic or go back to the pit.

I don't follow your logic.

You were speaking as if by doing a minor electronics change you would be devaluing some ridiculous vintage piece like a '59 burst. You aren't.

Anything with aftermarket electronics on a Gibson axe is generally an upgrade because of the cheap pots and limited pickup options their stock configurations offer. Besides, you're just paying for the name stamped on the pot when you buy a replacement.

V This guy agrees with me.
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#21
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Bah just buy gibson pots.
I put 4 into my epi lp at a cost of 15$ cad each.
Never had a problem, keeps it all looking uniform which is a pet peeve of mine.

$15 per pot for a Gibson stamp?

You realize that you can get CTS 500k audio taper pots for like... $5 each? And they're better than the Gibson branded-pots? IIRC, the Gibson historics use CTS pots.
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Bah just buy gibson pots.
I put 4 into my epi lp at a cost of 15$ cad each.
Never had a problem, keeps it all looking uniform which is a pet peeve of mine.


The standard pots work just fine and the guitar sounds great with them. I have no problem with them. Its just that buying one CTS pot and all the others being the standard ones would look really out of place. If i'm getting aftermarket ones, i may as well just replace all the pots.


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Anything with aftermarket electronics on a Gibson axe is generally an upgrade because of the cheap pots and limited pickup options their stock configurations offer. Besides, you're just paying for the name stamped on the pot when you buy a replacement.


Thank you. Why didn't you just say this in the first place?
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$15 per pot for a Gibson stamp?

You realize that you can get CTS 500k audio taper pots for like... $5 each? And they're better than the Gibson branded-pots? IIRC, the Gibson historics use CTS pots.


Meh. They worked great, had a long linear taper and the guy that bought it was happy it had all gibson parts on it. They also had them in a local shop so I didnt have to order anything and wait for shit.
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You sir are incredibly moronic


Care to explain?
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The standard pots work just fine and the guitar sounds great with them. I have no problem with them. Its just that buying one CTS pot and all the others being the standard ones would look really out of place. If i'm getting aftermarket ones, i may as well just replace all the pots.

How many times do you think people will be looking inside the guitar? Electronics cavities don't take part in beauty-pageants. You're worrying about absolutely nothing.

What you need is any decent pot with the same values (I'm guessing 500kOhms linear). On the cheap side, there's Alpha pots. On the more expensive side, there's CTS. Having used both, I can't tell a difference in day to day use. Maybe the CTS ones last longer, I don't know.
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Thank you. Why didn't you just say this in the first place?

Because I'm lazy and typing is harder work than not typing.
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How many times do you think people will be looking inside the guitar? Electronics cavities don't take part in beauty-pageants. You're worrying about absolutely nothing.

What you need is any decent pot with the same values (I'm guessing 500kOhms linear). On the cheap side, there's Alpha pots. On the more expensive side, there's CTS. Having used both, I can't tell a difference in day to day use. Maybe the CTS ones last longer, I don't know.

I'm just anal about it.

I'll get a few CTS ones and get to work.
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Care to explain?

I think he's referring to you thinking that a) a pot can diminish the value of a guitar, and b) your willingness to pay a lot of cash for one that says Gibson on it.

Experience shows that a) is false, and that therefore b) need not follow. I'm trying to love and tolerate here, but when someone comes in with a rather outlandish opinion and the willingness to fight over it, it's getting hard. Please don't make it so.
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I'm just anal about it.

I'll get a few CTS ones and get to work.

K. Guess you'll just have a couple spares then (the old ones, I mean). Can't hurt.

You'll sometimes see stores/ebay-shops offering entire sets at a reduced price. Maybe look into it.
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I think he's referring to you thinking that a) a pot can diminish the value of a guitar, and b) your willingness to pay a lot of cash for one that says Gibson on it.

Experience shows that a) is false, and that therefore b) need not follow. I'm trying to love and tolerate here, but when someone comes in with a rather outlandish opinion and the willingness to fight over it, it's getting hard. Please don't make it so.

Well, i'm not the guy who knows what is the best brand of potentiometer for an electric guitar. So i don't really know any better. I just had the idea that i was happy with what i knew worked.

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K. Guess you'll just have a couple spares then (the old ones, I mean). Can't hurt.

You'll sometimes see stores/ebay-shops offering entire sets at a reduced price. Maybe look into it.

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I must ask out of curiousity.
Beyond cheaper pricing, what is better about these pots? Be very specific.
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The standard pots work just fine and the guitar sounds great with them. I have no problem with them. Its just that buying one CTS pot and all the others being the standard ones would look really out of place. If i'm getting aftermarket ones, i may as well just replace all the pots.
You should probably be replacing all the pots anyway. Gibson USA guitars come with these weird 300k linear pots for all their controls. The original configuration has always been 500k audio taper.
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You should probably be replacing all the pots anyway. Gibson USA guitars come with these weird 300k linear pots for all their controls. The original configuration has always been 500k audio taper.


Wouldn't that affect the sound?
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Wouldn't that affect the sound?
The lower the value is, the more signal is getting attenuated. If you switch to 500k, your sound will be brighter and clearer with more output and a more gradual volume taper compared to the linear pot where you don't hear any difference until you go from 10->2. This was the original Gibson value back in the '50s and '60s. I have no idea why Gibson ever switched to the 300k ones. A lot of Gibson enthusiasts, the first thing they do when they get a new Gibson guitar is to swap out all the electronics. Take out the pots and caps and replace them with a new wiring harness, new pots and new caps.
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The lower the value is, the more signal is getting attenuated. If you switch to 500k, your sound will be brighter and clearer with more output and a more gradual volume taper compared to the linear pot where you don't hear any difference until you go from 10->2. This was the original Gibson value back in the '50s and '60s. I have no idea why Gibson ever switched to the 300k ones. A lot of Gibson enthusiasts, the first thing they do when they get a new Gibson guitar is to swap out all the electronics. Take out the pots and caps and replace them with a new wiring harness, new pots and new caps.


How much of a difference will it make? I'm asking this because i wouldn't want the guitar to sound any brighter than it already is.
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If it doesnt have Gibson on it, I wouldnt put it in there.

Different pots are different sizes and if you need to route your guitar your ****ed.

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#38
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If it doesnt have Gibson on it, I wouldnt put it in there.

Different pots are different sizes and if you need to route your guitar your ****ed.


+1 had to widen the epi holes for gibby pots.

Someone answer my question or youre all just bandwagoning.
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I want to get a Gibson one because in case i want to sell it, i want the parts to be all original.


barring some unforseen shortage of gibson-stamped aftermarket parts in the future, what's to hinder you getting a good pot now without paying gibson extortionate markup prices (TM) and then buying the Gibson-stamped pot later if you do decide to sell it?

plus i mean who the heck's not going to buy the guitar because it doesn't have a gibson pot in it?

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I'm not planning on selling it, its just that i want the guitar exactly how it was when i bought it new. Putting on IRREVERSIBLEaftermarket parts, no matter how subtle, will always devalue the guitar.


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This is hilarious.

If I go look at a Gibson and its pots don't have Gibson on them, I'm more likely to buy it - the stock ones are shit.

Also, it's an '11 Flying V - how valuable do you think it is?




also aren't the stock ones 300k in a lot of cases? i mean that's technically the "wrong" value, right? normally 500k for hums, right?

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You should probably be replacing all the pots anyway. Gibson USA guitars come with these weird 300k linear pots for all their controls. The original configuration has always been 500k audio taper.


there you go

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Wouldn't that affect the sound?


yeah.

that's why everyone in here is lulzing so much at your refusal to consider anything else, when, if anything, the gibson ones are objectively inferior considering they're the "wrong" value.

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As evidenced in this post, more valuable than you. In which i actually give a fuck for it..

Either add something constructive to the topic or leave.


nice sneaky edit there, but bubbs is assuredly not a pit monkey. he's a regular in these forums. if anything, you're the pit monkey coming onto his lawn.

fwiw everything he said was pretty useful. it might have been said in a snarky tone of voice, but it was good info.

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How much of a difference will it make? I'm asking this because i wouldn't want the guitar to sound any brighter than it already is.


to be fair, that would be worth bearing in mind.

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If it doesnt have Gibson on it, I wouldnt put it in there.

Different pots are different sizes and if you need to route your guitar your ****ed.


yeah to be fair you want to make sure teh pots you buy are going to fit- routing the guitar will devalue it. But (and i could be wrong here) it should be reasonably easy to find pots which fit a gibson.
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How much of a difference will it make? I'm asking this because i wouldn't want the guitar to sound any brighter than it already is.
It will sound a tad more open. But if it's too bright, then you use your tone control. To me, it's much better to have brightness and be able to roll it off than not having it. You will notice that when you have more treble available, the tone control becomes much more usable as well.
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