Poll: Is Life(in general) Logical?
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Yes, It Is Logical
69 47%
No, Life Is not Logical
44 30%
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33 23%
Voters: 146.
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#1
is logic a natural part of our universe?
what i mean is something along the lines of:is life logical?
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#2
Logically, nothing can exist. For something to exist, it has to have been made/formed/etc. Thus every bit of matter/energy will have had to have existed before the big bang. Thus, what made it?

If it were a celestial being like God, who made God?

Discuss.

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#3
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#8
Yes. Life is logical. As we base our logic off the laws of the universe. Although there are constants in mathematics that never change, what determined the constants in the first place?

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Logically, nothing can exist. For something to exist, it has to have been made/formed/etc. Thus every bit of matter/energy will have had to have existed before the big bang. Thus, what made it?

If it were a celestial being like God, who made God?

Discuss.

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Logically, nothing can exist. For something to exist, it has to have been made/formed/etc. Thus every bit of matter/energy will have had to have existed before the big bang. Thus, what made it?

If it were a celestial being like God, who made God?

Discuss.


The universe coming from nothing is a much more likely occurrence than the universe coming from something. For, you see, nothing is actually a state of very high potential and entropic energy, which then could spontaneously generate something by mitigating this unstable, high energy state. since all matter in the universe is essentially condensed energy, it wouldn't be that hard to assume that all matter in the universe (as well as energy) could be the product of a very unstable, simple event releasing its energy be inducing complexity.
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its much more natural to get something from nothing, than it is to get nothing from something.
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#12
If it can be explained and has a describable cause, then it's logical (as far as I'm aware of the definition of "logical.") What are some examples of life/the universe being illogical?
#14
Logic is the process of making irrefutable sense.

Of course you can say that we do not know everything there is to know about a certain subject and then you can say that logical analyses derived from our limited knowledge voids that irrefutability.

However, we know this, and so common logic is forced to accept and employ fundamental assumptions that form the basis of our understanding of things.

A highly astute individual would recognise and be acutely aware that such logic is, in a very loose sense, "disposable"

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#19
it would be illogical for logic to be an unnatural part of our universe
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What are some examples of life/the universe being illogical?


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#21
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logic is just a concept, like time, it doesn't exist, we just use it to rationalize what we think we know

Time does exist (4th non-spatial dimension) and is bound to space as well in something called spacetime. You learn the relativity between spacetime and an observes motion and frame of reference among other outcomes in Einstein's theory of Special Relativity. You also learn that gravity can bend that spacetime in his theory of General Relativity. So time is very real, but it is not absolute and is tied to space.

I agree however that logic in and of itself is a human concept, but universal nature often functions according to this concept. Now, that's not to say all things in nature coincide with our logical perceptions, because we wouldn't have so many mysteries in life. But our idea of logic adapts according to new information we receive about the universe. In a way, nature teaches us logic.
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#22
I believe in Determinism, so yeah, everything is logical, and if something appears illogical, it's due to ignorance of the physical events of our universe.
#23
I think not. When saying logic I think of something that you could predict 100% it's going to happen. Life was more of a coincidence, imho.
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#24
It's logical.
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#25
All our maths, sciences, understanding of the universe and the very idea of logic come from the fact that our senses can identify patterns in the natural world. This means that we derive logic from the understanding of existence rather than deriving meaning of the tangible through our logic. The latter is non-nonsensical. How could you understand or state rules for something you can't experience?

Basically, if you find life illogical, your logic is flawed.
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All our maths, sciences, understanding of the universe and the very idea of logic come from the fact that our senses can identify patterns in the natural world. This means that we derive logic from the understanding of existence rather than deriving meaning of the tangible through our logic. The latter is non-nonsensical. How could you understand or state rules for something you can't experience?

Basically, if you find life illogical, your logic is flawed.

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#28
Logic is just the collective understanding of how the world acts. Something happens once, we analyze it and store the information. It happens a hundered more times, it becomes a logical framework in which we can make predictions and compare new experiences to. This is probably the most natural thing I can think of at the moment.
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#29
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Logically, nothing can exist. For something to exist, it has to have been made/formed/etc. Thus every bit of matter/energy will have had to have existed before the big bang. Thus, what made it?

If it were a celestial being like God, who made God?

Discuss.


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Life is illogical. Well, people are illogical, not life itself.
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#30
This happened because this happened because this happened because this happened. That's logic.
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#31
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I believe in Determinism, so yeah, everything is logical, and if something appears illogical, it's due to ignorance of the physical events of our universe.


I put that the Universe is not logical due to the influence of quantum decay upon what would be a deterministic medium without it. Basically, that every event is indeed completely unpredictable and random, yet still follows laws. Its just impossible to predict.

I agree with you, but the random occurrence of particle decay, even though there's probability to it, seems to remove any truly logical events from the universe.

Unless I'm flawed in thinking that random probability is illogical, which I may be. But I suppose my reasoning is that since the new particles come into existence from randomness, then they're illogical.

Is randomness Logical or Illogical?
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I'd give some summary of the video, but everything from it left my head seconds after it entered it.


Damn that's interesting as hell. Cheers for this!

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#36
Thought this was about the DAW.


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#39
I read this in terms of biological life, as in "is it logical for a living being to live." And the answer is yes, we are instilled with a survival instinct because our genes design our bodies so that they can be passed on. A gene that tells a body to want to live ensures that it and other genes will get passed on.

I don't know if that's what the OP is referring to, but that's my two cents.
#40
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Logically, nothing can exist. For something to exist, it has to have been made/formed/etc. Thus every bit of matter/energy will have had to have existed before the big bang. Thus, what made it?

If it were a celestial being like God, who made God?

Discuss.

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