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#1
Anybody else tuning their bass (along with the rest of the band and their instruments) to standard tuning @ 432hz rather than A440hz????

I would be very interested in hearing how anyone's "feeling" of the music or sing has improved, and how you feel energy/health-wise after playing at this frequency....
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#2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLhegBf_TkI&feature=related

Really one of these has health benefits over the other? I'm admittedly a cranky old cynic, but if you get on board with the "chakra healing benefits of 423hz, then I have a nice line aluminum chapeaus to sell you. Yes, the overall vibration/tonal quality is different but impacting your energy and health, is bollocks.
#4
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I've had a quick look at this and can say that as a physicist that I think it definitly spherical and plural.

took me a few seconds to get it, but I chuckled when I did
#6
I study sounddesign and told a classmate of mine about this stuff. He made a song in 432 and he said it was actually waaay easier to balance everything out, like mixing and stuff.
I read somewhere that it would be much better for vocalists, less strain on the vocal chords...
I think it might have an impact chakra wise. Everything is energy and has a certain vibration. Light, sound, ... matter, etc.. And since everything comes from the same source there might be a perfect vibration of some sorts.
#9
I thought this was interesting...

A=440 Versus A=432 Standard Tuning

A lot has been written on the A=432Hz tuning preference that is mathematically consistent with the Fibonacci series of numbers, and, therefore, universal design. Among the advocates of A=432Hz standard tuning is musician and researcher, Brian T. Collins, who launched a website dedicated to posting articles supportive to this growing musical-metaphysical movement for recovering optimal spirituality through music “therapy.”(21)

Collins wrote, “The current tuning of music based on A=440 Hz does not harmonize on any level that corresponds to cosmic movement, rhythm, or natural vibration. Mozart and Verdi both based their music on natural vibration, and A=432 was nicknamed the ‘Verdi tuning.’ Most western music, including popular New Age music is still tuned at unnatural A=440Hz. The difference between A=440 Hz and A=432 Hz is only 8 vibrations per second, but it is a perceptible difference in the human consciousness experience.”(21)

An expanded review of A=432Hz tuning finds it throughout the religious world according to many researchers. “One of the oldest uses of sound is for ceremonial and religious purposes. Whether the chanting of a Hindu mantra, the recitation of the Jewish cantor, a Christian hymn, or the call of a Moslem muezzin, sacred sound makes its way into all of the various world's religions. According to Robert Lewis, a student of the Rosicrucian Fellowship: ‘The purpose of music in religious service is to raise the vibratory rate of a congregation upward through a series of overtones to a spiritual level.’"(21)

“Archaic Egyptian instruments that have been unearthed, so far, are largely tuned to A=432Hz. In ancient Greece (the school book original place for music) their instruments were predominantly tuned to 432Hz. Within the archaic Greek Eleusenian Mysteries, Orpheus is the god of music, death and rebirth, and was the keeper of the Ambrosia and the music of transformation (his instruments were tuned at 432Hz).(25)

“. . . [O]ne can make audible harmonics, such as 72Hz (9 x 8 Hz), 144Hz (18 x 8 Hz) and 432Hz; and then further synchronize the music in binaural 8Hz, to reawaken us to the orchestra of our thoughts, in the cathedrals of our minds. Such musical harmonics may also resonate and upload one into a geometrical progression and harmonic to time, which is generally accepted to be the congruence of the amino acid/codon metabolism within the DNA double helix.(25)
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#11
I have no idea what's going on in this thread at all.
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#12
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Clicked that Youtube and read the comments...

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agreed...humanity makes me sad huge portion of the time...

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#13
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I have no idea what's going on in this thread at all.



we are discussing tuning the bass (or other instruments) to 432hz vs. A440hz
#14
http://www.dolmetsch.com/musictheory27.htm

Guess what. Pitch changed constantly throughout human history. 432 "natural" pitch is bullshit. Its proclaimed by the same people who proclaim that smart meters are making them ill and that cell phone towers are killing bees.

And besides, I've looked at my crystal ball and I think this thread is going down to closure soon anyway.
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I have no idea what's going on in this thread at all.


One of our bass players has been captured by a cult and has started posting threads accordingly. Maybe we should just shove this over to the musicians talk and watch what happens.
#19
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So by natural are we discussing the brown note? Is this a laxative chakra?


Well..it's usually one of the ways these threads go anyway. Unless you can somehow relate 432 hz to alcoholic consumption and debauchery.
#20
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One of our bass players has been captured by a cult and has started posting threads accordingly. Maybe we should just shove this over to the musicians talk and watch what happens.


please don't do that, i come here because that place gives me enough of a heart-attack as it is
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#21
let's conduct an experiment... try it for a week or two and then report back whether or not you feel better during/after playing, whether your ability to sing becomes easier and if you "feel" the music 'better'- (for lack of a better word)....

we can conduct our own version of mythbusters.
#22
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let's conduct an experiment... try it for a week or two and then report back whether or not you feel better during/after playing, whether your ability to sing becomes easier and if you "feel" the music 'better'- (for lack of a better word)....

we can conduct our own version of mythbusters.


Need a lot more to make it scientific, and good vibes are entirely subjective opinion.
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Need a lot more to make it scientific, and good vibes are entirely subjective opinion.


Yup, from that study, you would learn absolutely jack shit.

What you would need to do, is have 3 groups, one with music at 440hz, and one at 423hz, and some sort of control (perhaps music tuned to a completely random frequency within certain parameters) - but no group would be allowed to know which group they were in. Nor would anyone who was doing the study.

The groups that people are placed in would have to be randomised too, with no effective input from those conducting the study.

The groups would only be allowed to listen to the specific music given to them for the week/however long the study was. This would be difficult to impossible due to almost all music being recorded at A440hz.

But that is my basic outline for a study.
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Need a lot more to make it scientific, and good vibes are entirely subjective opinion.



agreed....but no loss in trying....Jimi Hendrix, Mozart, Verdi, and Stradivari could have been on to something...
#27
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Yup, from that study, you would learn absolutely jack shit.

What you would need to do, is have 3 groups, one with music at 440hz, and one at 423hz, and some sort of control (perhaps music tuned to a completely random frequency within certain parameters) - but no group would be allowed to know which group they were in. Nor would anyone who was doing the study.

The groups that people are placed in would have to be randomised too, with no effective input from those conducting the study.

The groups would only be allowed to listen to the specific music given to them for the week/however long the study was. This would be difficult to impossible due to almost all music being recorded at A440hz.

But that is my basic outline for a study.


you are probably right.....
#28
Just to make you happy, can you explain what this tuning is? Can my crappy korg do it?
#29
This thread is crystal homeopathy mixed with traditional Chinese medicine.

It reminds me of the audible drug thing that was a complete scam, can't remember the name.

Grow up and take your prescription drugs.
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#30
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Just to make you happy, can you explain what this tuning is? Can my crappy korg do it?


yes it should...

If you have a digital tuner, set the frequency to 432hz instead of 440hz and then retune your guitar to standard tuning. E, A, D, G, B, e.

It should make playing feel "better" or not so tense and improve singing.
#31
My guess would be that the only health benefit of tuning to 432 Hz would be shutting up people who harp on about it to avoid insanity.

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#32
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I thought this was interesting...

A=440 Versus A=432 Standard Tuning

A lot has been written on the A=432Hz tuning preference that is mathematically consistent with the Fibonacci series of numbers, and, therefore, universal design. Among the advocates of A=432Hz standard tuning is musician and researcher, Brian T. Collins, who launched a website dedicated to posting articles supportive to this growing musical-metaphysical movement for recovering optimal spirituality through music “therapy.”(21)

Collins wrote, “The current tuning of music based on A=440 Hz does not harmonize on any level that corresponds to cosmic movement, rhythm, or natural vibration. Mozart and Verdi both based their music on natural vibration, and A=432 was nicknamed the ‘Verdi tuning.’ Most western music, including popular New Age music is still tuned at unnatural A=440Hz. The difference between A=440 Hz and A=432 Hz is only 8 vibrations per second, but it is a perceptible difference in the human consciousness experience.”(21)

An expanded review of A=432Hz tuning finds it throughout the religious world according to many researchers. “One of the oldest uses of sound is for ceremonial and religious purposes. Whether the chanting of a Hindu mantra, the recitation of the Jewish cantor, a Christian hymn, or the call of a Moslem muezzin, sacred sound makes its way into all of the various world's religions. According to Robert Lewis, a student of the Rosicrucian Fellowship: ‘The purpose of music in religious service is to raise the vibratory rate of a congregation upward through a series of overtones to a spiritual level.’"(21)

“Archaic Egyptian instruments that have been unearthed, so far, are largely tuned to A=432Hz. In ancient Greece (the school book original place for music) their instruments were predominantly tuned to 432Hz. Within the archaic Greek Eleusenian Mysteries, Orpheus is the god of music, death and rebirth, and was the keeper of the Ambrosia and the music of transformation (his instruments were tuned at 432Hz).(25)

“. . . [O]ne can make audible harmonics, such as 72Hz (9 x 8 Hz), 144Hz (18 x 8 Hz) and 432Hz; and then further synchronize the music in binaural 8Hz, to reawaken us to the orchestra of our thoughts, in the cathedrals of our minds. Such musical harmonics may also resonate and upload one into a geometrical progression and harmonic to time, which is generally accepted to be the congruence of the amino acid/codon metabolism within the DNA double helix.(25)



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#33
Quote by jtkguitar
yes it should...

If you have a digital tuner, set the frequency to 432hz instead of 440hz and then retune your guitar to standard tuning. E, A, D, G, B, e.

It should make playing feel "better" or not so tense and improve singing.


define "better" on a scale of 1-10, 1 being a free Hershey kiss and 10 a spontaneous orgasm of $100 bills?
#34
I might try it, not for health, that is most likely bullshit, but maybe it may sound better to my ears. We are bassists, just make shit sound good. That is what we do.

I know some bands when tuning to drop b, tune 40 cents sharp to get better harmonics.
same sort of concept? or am i wrong? probably...

Edit: oh hey! now when i play along to megadeths peace sells, the bass is in tune with the bass on the track. So thats why it never matched up.
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#36
No difference health wise... However i noticed that i have a ringing noise in my ear : / When i fret an A on the 4th string... That is in both tunings btw, i dont think that is a good thing.
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#37
Hey 'Moderator', can I re-post this in a different category, like maybe 'Musician Talk'????
#38
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I thought this was interesting...

A=440 Versus A=432 Standard Tuning

A lot has been written on the A=432Hz tuning preference that is mathematically consistent with the Fibonacci series of numbers, and, therefore, universal design. Among the advocates of A=432Hz standard tuning is musician and researcher, Brian T. Collins, who launched a website dedicated to posting articles supportive to this growing musical-metaphysical movement for recovering optimal spirituality through music “therapy.”(21)


Pigshit from the start. The second is an arbitrary measure of time. If the second was defined differently then what we know as 440Hz could be any number of hertz, including 432. It would then be 'mathematically consistent' (derisive laugh) with the Fibonacci series.

I'd hoped this ****wittery had blown over.
#39
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Pigshit from the start. The second is an arbitrary measure of time. If the second was defined differently then what we know as 440Hz could be any number of hertz, including 432. It would then be 'mathematically consistent' (derisive laugh) with the Fibonacci series.

I'd hoped this ****wittery had blown over.


what??? I didn't understand a word you said...
#40
this is stupid. it would not affect your health in anyway. that doesnt make any sense. and yes it would be *slightly* easier to sing, not because of the 432hz, but because it is slightly flat so obviously it is a little easier to sing. but you could always change the key and presto! its easier to sing!

by the way, in the past they used many different tunings. 432hz was one of them yes but clearly 440hz was used the most otherwise we wouldnt be using it still. i doubt it would change the overall mix with intsruments because the 12 tone western scale isnt evenly devided no matter what you tune to. even if you got all the octave spot on, they will sound a bit out unless you slightly flatten or sharpen the notes as you move from the centre. this doesnt really have much to do with what you tune to but has to do with how we devide the scale.

and personally i would like to know how they know what acient greeks and egytians tuned to because i dont think they had any way to measure that. also their music wasnt like our western music and was more modal so i doubt they cared much about tunings so much and tuned to what they felt sounded good for the song they were playing.

what you tune to has no affect on you. the only affect would be whether or not you like it at that tuning or not. ive heard hendrix songs played by him anywhere from standard, slightly sharp, slightly flat, half step down, in between Eb and D and D. they all just sound different. the ones tuned lower sound darker but thats about it.
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