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So, a quick question which has been bugging me. Put here because I want the pits opinion.

The general definition of math rock is...

a genre which has evolved from Post Hardcore and Emo/Alternative Rock (two separate subgenres), and involves angular melodies and complex rhythmic qualities.
Now, in your opinion, if something sounds exactly like math rock, but is almost always in 4/4, what do you consider it? For example, Six Gallery, Foals, Dartz! and BATS all predominantly use 4/4 on everything I have heard by them, yet they are considered huge in the math rock scene. However, they sound like a non-mathy math rock, and it's hard to categorize them. I'm aware I'm being picky but I've always wondered.

tl;dr can something still fit into the genre of math rock if it fits the sound but not the definition?

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So, a quick question which has been bugging me.

Was this question about math rock so acute you had to ask it right away?
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#4
Rock that doesn't really rock because there are too many numbers and bad sounds.

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Not math rock, bro.
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#5


So much math in this rock.
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#6
I don't have a definition.
I went to a math rock show at my school last year & all I got out of it was that math rock bands don't have bassists & all sound pretty much the same.
#8
I dunno, but it's pretty radical
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#9
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Was this question about math rock so acute you had to ask it right away?


I see what you did there. I digit
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#10
I regret ever starting this thread.
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#11
Dartz have always sounded like that style of British indie shit I don't know the name of.

When I think of math rock, which is a pretty shit categorization really, I think like Rolo Tomassi and shit like that.
#12
Math rock: Over complicated and displeasing to my ears.
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#13
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Rock that doesn't really rock because there are too many numbers and bad sounds.


Not math rock, bro.

Its just all definitions and opinionitions anyway bro

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Its just all definitions and opinionitions anyway bro

Blotted Science? Theyre amazing and i dry hump them every other few days


Except...you know...definitions aren't opinions.

Just like BTBAM is not math rock.


Banjocal, the bands you're describing aren't math rock, they just share aesthetic qualities in the tones of their guitars.
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#15
Man now I'm gunna have to sit through class thinking about Paul F. Tompkins singing about Math Rock on Who Charted?
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Man now I'm gunna have to sit through class thinking about Paul F. Tompkins singing about Math Rock on Who Charted?


wat is this.
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#19
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Sumhow I always understand what you're after.
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#20
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Except...you know...definitions aren't opinions.

Just like BTBAM is not math rock.


Banjocal, the bands you're describing aren't math rock, they just share aesthetic qualities in the tones of their guitars.

I dont understand genres anyway, im just messin around. Math rock is what you liaten to when you do math homework, which iin my case is btbam, and so is english rock, and physics rock, and social studies rock, and health rock.
#21
Nah I think it needs more complicated time signatures myself.

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#22
I consider math rock to be rock with unusual time signatures. Not to be confused with progressive rock, which is rock based on linear progressions.
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#25
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I dont understand genres anyway, im just messin around. Math rock is what you liaten to when you do math homework, which iin my case is btbam, and so is english rock, and physics rock, and social studies rock, and health rock.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsMLP3cheuc

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Nah I think it needs more complicated time signatures myself.
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And to Blake, fair enough. I just cant understand how they get put in the scene when they are closer to Alt Rock.
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#26
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Make some music out of that.


Well if you rearrange the equations into a wave function and find something that'll play it through a signal generator you can. I don't know the technicalities but that's how cds are read.

Here's the wave function: x(t) = A.Cos(ωt + φ

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And to Blake, fair enough. I just cant understand how they get put in the scene when they are closer to Alt Rock.


It's purely because to the untrained ear, they're very similar. I know there are some more "out there" examples, but a band like TTNG compared with something simpler wouldn't be too hard of a mistake to make.

Giraffes? Giraffes! on the other hand...
#28
Uh... That was kinda interesting, but also kinda disappointing, i thought it was gonna go into some complex polyrythm, but it gave me a bleh feeling, but thats math rock? I guess iv been listening to the wrong music when i do math hw
#29
Try some SikTh, Protest The Hero, Dillinger Escape Plan etc. Most Djent bands have pretty weird time sigs, try Frak the gods by Periphery or some Vildhjarta.
Fellsilent are also kinda math metal stuff and so are the arush accord.
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Pi-ty I know almost nothing about mortgage. I'm really not the sharpest triangle in the Teletubbies regarding that.
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#32
math rock.... music played by nerdy dudes, who eventually folded into hipsters.
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#34
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Try some SikTh, Protest The Hero, Dillinger Escape Plan etc. Most Djent bands have pretty weird time sigs, try Frak the gods by Periphery or some Vildhjarta.
Fellsilent are also kinda math metal stuff and so are the arush accord.


SikTh and Dillinger aren't mathrock. Dillinger are mathcore and it's hard to classify SikTh.

Don Cab were said to have created the sub-genre of mathrock as far as I know, although they dislike the label.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4xzss5t8yM&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLB6038745E6E62F12

This is possibly their finest.
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It's purely because to the untrained ear, they're very similar. I know there are some more "out there" examples, but a band like TTNG compared with something simpler wouldn't be too hard of a mistake to make.

Giraffes? Giraffes! on the other hand...
Well, I listen to a lot of math rock, and as such I can recognize the sound, but in conversations about it, people namedrop these bands, yet it's all in 4/4.

While we're talking about TTNG, Six Gallery are often called "the american TTNG" and are always called math rock. Lots of tapping and angular melodies with very intricate composition. All (bar one or two tracks) 4/4. Yet people maintain that it is math rock. I just wondered what you guys thought. I consider SG intricate and mathy enough (just about) to be math rock, but BATS and Foals are not, imo.

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Uh... That was kinda interesting, but also kinda disappointing, i thought it was gonna go into some complex polyrythm, but it gave me a bleh feeling, but thats math rock? I guess iv been listening to the wrong music when i do math hw
BATS isn't math rock, but gets called it a lot.
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#38
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Uh... That was kinda interesting, but also kinda disappointing, i thought it was gonna go into some complex polyrythm, but it gave me a bleh feeling, but thats math rock? I guess iv been listening to the wrong music when i do math hw


Try....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de1bt5dc2t0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZqZCS0rCmE

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Math elements? Hellzzzzzz yes. But Math rock? No.
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