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Is it wrong to be against immigration?

All right wing political groups are against immigration (KKK, BNP, EDL, etc)

One of the arguements against immigration is that it is redundant, due to all people being immigrants if they trace their genealogy back far enough (America was colonized by the people on the mayflower, Australia became predominantly white from the influx of criminals sent from Australia, the English are descendent from the Roman conquest of 43 AD onwards and the Normans in 106 (probably not relevant to my next point but i needed a third)).

All of these events caused massive upheaval for the natural inhabitants of each country, in the American case almost wiping out the locals (there are only 1.9 million Indians, in a population of 307,006,550).

Obviously we live in a world where events such as mentioned would never occur.

Is it too ridiculous to be apprehensive about immigration however?

Hope this doesn't come across as too racist.
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Woah, that's one racist comment there buddy.
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#4
Immigration = perfectly fine
Illegal Immigration = bad bad bad

Legal Immigration System Reform = needed.
#5
Yes its wrong. Everyones an immigrant.
Even the natives in canada came across the ice from mongolia.
If their country sucks why not let them have a better life?
#6
I probably am not getting my point across as i would have liked.

This is not (atleast, not intentionally) me saying all immigration should be banned.

It's me trying to explain one reason why some people feel uneasy about it.

There are numerous reasons why idiots are against reason, i hope i am not lumped in with them.
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It could be dangerous for some countries, such as the US, to get a larger immigrant population in current times. The recent financial decline has led to a decline in the amount of work available to the resident population, an influx of immigration could lead to even more joblessness and disparity. This is even more true for other reasons, especially in the post-9/11 world. Weaker borders and more relaxed immigration could make it easier for terrorists to infiltrate major western countries. There is no reason for any of these things to happen, all a country would have to do is close it's borders. Why risk it?
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Woah, that's one racist comment there buddy.


Please see my second post.

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Yes its wrong. Everyones an immigrant.
Even the natives in canada came across the ice from mongolia.
If their country sucks why not let them have a better life?


I do not know much about cananda, but it seems oxymoronic that the native's came from mongolia. Also, the colonization of America came at the expense of the Native Indian way of life.
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Please see my second post.


My Mother, actually, god bless her soul. She went to prison for this and was shanked within minutes .


I do not know much about cananda, but it seems oxymoronic that the native's came from mongolia. Also, the colonization of America came at the expense of the Native Indian way of life.



How is that an oxymoron?
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#10
I think it's illegal immigration that is the problem (like Blake1221 said) because it means that there are people coming into the country who don't need to pay taxes and work for below minimum wage, because a company can blackmail them: 'You work for me for £1 an hour, and I won't tell the police that you're an illegal immigrant'.

Mass illegal immigration just seems to be a sign of the times. Alot of bad stuff happening to countries all over the world causing people to want to move away from that country to somewhere with a possible future.

I blame the companies that hire people for below-minimum wage tbh. They screw both the illegal immigrant and the legal citizen.
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#11
I like living here.

My ancestors were born here, I have people in my family who immigrated and branches of my family also, immigrated generations ago who we still keep in touch with.
I see a lot of migrant workers and many, many people who were born in many different countries and have lived here all my life.
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All right wing political groups are against immigration


Stopped reading there.
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Stopped reading there.


Why? I've tried to make my thread articulate and reasonable. It is not a hate speach against immigration, more a theory about why people oppose it.

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How is that an oxymoron?
Also I am native. Having white chicks here is enough to make up for 'losing our ways'


I wouldn't consider myself a native englishman, i am no doubt descendent from Italy or Scandanavia. However, my arguement is that, whoever makes up the majority population of a country, may feel unease about immigration. I consider native's be, for example, native Indians or the Aboriganies, so unless you are sure you can trace yourself back to native Canadians (i do not know who native Canadadians were, your comment about Mongols ivading it suggested otherwise however) you cannot really consider yourself native, in my opinion.
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It's unreasonable and unrealistic to just keep allowing people into your country and expect things to keep working as they used to. The problem in the UK at the moment is we don't really make anything so there isn't THAT much work to go around, I remember reading somewhere that as the amount of European immigrants came into the UK the amount of Teenage unemployment also went up... then the government is like "OMG HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT" not considering how easy it is to get into the UK illegaly or otherwise.

I like Australia's way of doing it. I'm not really one for more people who can't really add to society coming here just because it's nicer than where they moved from. Asylum, fine, but just cuz you think you can make a quick buck here and send it back to Poland (which happened ALOT near where I live) is not so fine.

As racist/xenophobic/right wing/fascist that sounds. I don't hate other races I think you just gotta be a little bit prudent about the whole thing.
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You spelt Jimi wrong.


You sir, have enormous balls. It probably has nothing to do with my name being James and that is how i choose to spell it.

I'm a sucker for a troll.
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It's unreasonable and unrealistic to just keep allowing people into your country and expect things to keep working as they used to. The problem in the UK at the moment is we don't really make anything so there isn't THAT much work to go around, I remember reading somewhere that as the amount of European immigrants came into the UK the amount of Teenage unemployment also went up... then the government is like "OMG HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT" not considering how easy it is to get into the UK illegaly or otherwise.

I like Australia's way of doing it. I'm not really one for putting more people who can't really add to society coming here just because it's nicer than where they moved from.

As racist/xenophobic/right wing/fascist that sounds. I don't hate other races I think you just gonna be a little bit prudent about the whole thing.


You do sound a little racist (some may think i'm hypocritical, i'm ok with that) but the high amount of teenage unemployment is more to do with employers wanting to hire people who will stay in the job long term, as opposed to teenagers who will most likely be doing it for 6 months.
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Why? I've tried to make my thread articulate and reasonable. It is not a hate speach against immigration, more a theory about why people oppose it.


I was more talking about how you started off with a sweeping generalization which lost credibility in your post.
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#20
Let's send everyone back to which country they came from. Unfortunately, many of us would have to go in bits and pieces.
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I'm all for immigration, but I do wish that more of them would assimilate more into the culture of the country they move to. Barrios are a bad thing.
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I like Australia's way of doing it. I'm not really one for more people who can't really add to society coming here just because it's nicer than where they moved from. Asylum, fine, but just cuz you think you can make a quick buck here and send it back to Poland (which happened ALOT near where I live) is not so fine.


Australia's immigration program is a giant cluster**** tbh
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You do sound a little racist (some may think i'm hypocritical, i'm ok with that) but the high amount of teenage unemployment is more to do with employers wanting to hire people who will stay in the job long term, as opposed to teenagers who will most likely be doing it for 6 months.


Eh, I'd just rather think about Britons (the ones living here now, migrants or born here) before the rest of the world. The phrase "charity starts at home" seems to have turned into "charity has no place at home". We're so accepting of other cultures that I can't help but feeling that this is not so much returned.

A while back some people where trying to get Islamic Sharia law recognised by British courts. If that doesn't scream "we don't want to be part of your culture but accept ours" then I dunno what does *shrugs*


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Maybe I just like the theory, I don't think it should be AS strict. But there should be a purpose for any immigrant to come over. To me it should be because they want to be part of the society they're entering and enjoy their new citizenship. Not abuse it for the money which DOES happen, not saying everyone does it because they don't. I just don't like that people get the kneejerk "racist" remark whenever someone tries to bring that issue into discussion. Yes it's a nasty area but it should be considered.
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Australia became predominantly white from the influx of criminals sent from Australia


I stopped reading right there.

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I stopped reading right there.


Why? He tried to make his thread articulate and reasonable. It is not a hate speach against immigration, more a theory about why people oppose it.
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Yes its wrong. Everyones an immigrant.
Even the natives in canada came across the ice from mongolia.
If their country sucks why not let them have a better life?


This is debatable. There are quite a few theories, and only 4/5 blood tests show Asian ancestry.
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This is debatable. There are quite a few theories, and only 4/5 blood tests show Asian ancestry.


4/5 is solid enough for me.

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I was more talking about how you started off with a sweeping generalization which lost credibility in your post.


Apologies Horsedick, but the majority of people believe that right wing groups are against immigration, would you care to suggest groups otherwise?

Maybe i should of put extreme right wing groups, but that was inferred in the groups i mentioned.
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Thanks for your as usual insightful input...
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What I'm saying is that some certain tribes come from Asia, while some don't.

And they don't all come from the same place in Asia hence the differences between the tribes.
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Thanks for your as usual insightful input...
Thanks for your as usual waste of space response.
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Eh, I'd just rather think about Britons (the ones living here now, migrants or born here) before the rest of the world. The phrase "charity starts at home" seems to have turned into "charity has no place at home". We're so accepting of other cultures that I can't help but feeling that this is not so much returned.

A while back some people where trying to get Islamic Sharia law recognised by British courts. If that doesn't scream "we don't want to be part of your culture but accept ours" then I dunno what does *shrugs*

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Main point, "some people". The majority of Muslim's do not want to instigate Sharia Law in the UK. That is not a reason to stop immigration. My point was about widespread immigration, regardless of faith, nationality, creed, and why people feel uncomfortable about it.
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Thanks for your as usual waste of space response.


Says the guy who's total input to thread consisted of making a smart ass comment about the original post. But what evs, I know how "discussions" go when you're involved, so I'm out.


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Main point, "some people". The majority of Muslim's do not want to instigate Sharia Law in the UK. That is not a reason to stop immigration. My point was about widespread immigration, regardless of faith, nationality, creed, and why people feel uncomfortable about it.


This is very true, I guess the people who abuse the system are probably just as small of a minority. I guess I just don't like the idea of Britain taking on more people than it can readily support and I believe that is something that should be considered.
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Why? He tried to make his thread articulate and reasonable. It is not a hate speach against immigration, more a theory about why people oppose it.


Is it not articulate and reasonable? Quote one unreasonable thing i have said.

I sense a troll.
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Maybe I just like the theory, I don't think it should be AS strict. But there should be a purpose for any immigrant for coming over. To me it should be because they want to be part of the society they're entering and enjoy their new citizenship. Not abuse it for the money which DOES happen, not saying everyone does it because they don't. I just don't like that people get the kneejerk "racist" remark whenever someone tries to bring that issue into discussion. Yes it's a nasty area but it should be considered.

Absolutely, I agree with the idea of a skilled immigration program, as well as other entry tests. If a government is expected to support immigrants with social programs, it's only sensible that those more equipped to find work should get preference. On the money part, I don't mind if third world immigrants send funds to their families back home. They are already comparatively worst off so I'm willing to make a decreased GDP trade off for an increase in their well-being.
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