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#1
Been looking around for a new head that can handle what I play without pushing it to hell and back with pedals, and is a bit more powerful. I don't really play Deathcore or whatever, more a sort of Post-Hardcore, but I do like to have some spare gain on tap.

Had my heart set on a 6505+ for a while, but I realized that 120 watts would be overkill for me. Would never be able to crank it. So, I've been looking for a head thats 50 Watts or so that can get close to the gain levels of the 6505+. My budget is about £800/$1300.

And I'm looking for all tube, so none of that Blackstar bullshit.
#3
5150 III, or for half as much buy the 6505+ combo and plug it in a cab. Sounds killer.
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#4
You're not really gonna be able to crank 50 watts any more than 100 watts. They're pretty similar volume-wise.

You might find an ENGL or a Brunetti for that money, which will do you very well for br00tz.
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#6
Just get the 6505+ and add an *attenuator. Then you'll get the killer tone AND still be able to hear afterwards.
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#7
dkunick: Sounds pretty sweet. Always avoided checking one out because it's plastered with EVH. But I suppose all that branding is easily removed. :P

Somekid94: Looked up the Fireball E625. The shared EQ put me off really.

Calymos: Sounds like the sensible option tone wise. Any attenuator recommendations?
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dkunick: Sounds pretty sweet. Always avoided checking one out because it's plastered with EVH. But I suppose all that branding is easily removed. :P

Somekid94: Looked up the Fireball E625. The shared EQ put me off really.

Calymos: Sounds like the sensible option tone wise. Any attenuator recommendations?

I played one in a local shop and it sounded fine either way really :P

Buuuut THD Hotplates are pretty good if you need an attenuator.
#9
I've heard Weber attenuators are decent too, and they're not quite as expensive from what I've seen. Can anyone confirm this? I've never actually used one...
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dkunick: Sounds pretty sweet. Always avoided checking one out because it's plastered with EVH. But I suppose all that branding is easily removed. :P

Somekid94: Looked up the Fireball E625. The shared EQ put me off really.

Calymos: Sounds like the sensible option tone wise. Any attenuator recommendations?


An attenuator with a 6505 is a bad idea. You mostly use attenuators for more breakup, not lower volume. It's better suited towards a Marshall Plexi than a high gain amp like the 6505.

Besides that, you're not going to get the amp much quieter without it starting to sound like crap, even WITH an attenuator. Sure, you'll drop it down a little bit, but nowhere near anything 'quiet'.

You don't need an attenuator for br00tz, and again, there really isn't much difference between 60 and 120 watts. Both are really loud. The biggest difference will be that a 60 watt amp will start to break up a bit earlier.
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#12
i was thinking engl as well.
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#13
So it looks like that I'm either gunna go for the 6505+ or the 5150 III mini. Most likely the 6505+, as I can get one really cheap used. How similar are the tonal qualities now that Peavey have had nothing to do with the III?

OR, do I dare mention the Bugera 6262 around here? xD
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#14
Im going for a bugera 6262 and 2x12 cab. Cheap and lots of gain
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Im going for a bugera 6262 and 2x12 cab. Cheap and lots of gain


Yeah, they do look really good. Apparently, almost identical gain channel to the 6505 and an even cleaner clean channel. The reliability problems have been fixed too. I'm just wondering, where's the compromise? From reviews, it sounds like they're selling a 6505 for a quarter of the price. :L
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Yeah, they do look really good. Apparently, almost identical gain channel to the 6505 and an even cleaner clean channel. The reliability problems have been fixed too. I'm just wondering, where's the compromise? From reviews, it sounds like they're selling a 6505 for a quarter of the price. :L

They are still very cheaply built and most probably not as durable.
If you want a well made amp that will last, you shouldn't get a Bugera IMO.
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#17
i've seen deals on online shops here for teh 6505 for £800. if the deals are still available.

as said, i wouldn't discount the 6505 if it's perfect for you because it's 120 watts. 50 watts tube is loud as ****. 120 watts is marginally louder than ****.
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EVH 5153 mini. /thread

+11,000. Me want.
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50 watts tube is loud as ****. 120 watts is marginally louder than ****.

I might sig that.
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Quote by Dave_Mc
i've seen deals on online shops here for teh 6505 for £800. if the deals are still available.

as said, i wouldn't discount the 6505 if it's perfect for you because it's 120 watts. 50 watts tube is loud as ****. 120 watts is marginally louder than ****.


Haha yeah. I've seen used 6505+'s for like £650. Thought that was too good a deal to pass. :P

Besides, I've been window shopping (on the web...?) for most of the day, and I've decided that if I was going to buy any, it would have to be between:

6505+ (or 5150III mini, depending on the pricing)
Jet City 50H/100H
Orange TH30 (not too powerfull, but the dirty channel sounds killer! Very overpriced for what it is mind)

All of the prices are pretty much the same, so it's just a matter of deciding which sounds nicest...
#21
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You're not really gonna be able to crank 50 watts any more than 100 watts. They're pretty similar volume-wise.


+1. The only difference on a preamp distortion focused amp will be headroom. Volume difference between 50 and 100 is negligible.

And, to be completely honest, the only reason why you would ever want low headroom for metal is if you're looking to get some poweramp breakup. Which I can tell you right now from what you said you played, you do not want.

If you're determined to get a 50W, the 5150 III Mini should be good. I haven't heard it, but the regular 5150 III is pretty damn awesome.

Otherwise, you should probably just go for a regular 6505+ head. Not combo.
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+1. The only difference on a preamp distortion focused amp will be headroom. Volume difference between 50 and 100 is negligible.

And, to be completely honest, the only reason why you would ever want low headroom for metal is if you're looking to get some poweramp breakup. Which I can tell you right now from what you said you played, you do not want.

If you're determined to get a 50W, the 5150 III Mini should be good. I haven't heard it, but the regular 5150 III is pretty damn awesome.

Otherwise, you should probably just go for a regular 6505+ head. Not combo.


Yeah. If the difference in volume is that little, I'm not really bothered about if an amp is 50W or 100W. All about the tone now.

And The 5150III does look really cool. Still unsure how similar the tone is to the 5150II or the 6505 though.
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i was always under the impression that the III was a completely different amp from the I and II, more hotrod marshally, but i could be completely wrong (i haven't tried the III).
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The III can actually get very close to the original, except it is more articulate, much more versatile, and the clean channel absolutely destroys anything in the 5150/6505 line.
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i was always under the impression that the III was a completely different amp from the I and II, more hotrod marshally, but i could be completely wrong (i haven't tried the III).

AFAIK the 5150 II is basically the 6505+.
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AFAIK the 5150 II is basically the 6505+.

The 5150 II and the 6505+ are the exact same amp, kinda like how the 5150 is the same as the 6505. Were talking about the 5150 III (three) though.
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The 5150 II and the 6505+ are the exact same amp, kinda like how the 5150 is the same as the 6505. Were talking about the 5150 III (three) though.

Oh, sorry, I have overseen an "I" in Dave's post.
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+11,000. Me want.

what about teh snax fx?
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what about teh snax fx?

Still want white 5150 III


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what about teh snax fx?


Doesn't have the same aesthetics factor as a white 5150 III with a 412 Emperor cabinet.
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Doesn't have the same aesthetics factor as a white 5150 III with a 412 Emperor cabinet.

True story!
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Can never take Krank seriously. Probably because they look so very ugly.
The jr series is pretty nice, I had a Rev head yrs ago, but I never really liked it, sold it to pay bills.
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The Rev+ and Jr. Pro series are great. I used to have a Rev+, probably the most unique sounding high gain amp I've heard, in a good way.

Kinda wish I still had that thing, they're cool amps!
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#37
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Doesn't have the same aesthetics factor as a white 5150 III with a 412 Emperor cabinet.
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True story!

fact for sure.

i won't lie, i'm happy with my amp but a small white 5153 on top of it would be cool.
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#38
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fact for sure.

i won't lie, i'm happy with my amp but a small white 5153 on top of it would be cool.

Me too honestly. I love my 5150, and I'm sure the Axe FX will keep me busy for a while, but that 5150 III looks so cute
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#39
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Me too honestly. I love my 5150, and I'm sure the Axe FX will keep me busy for a while, but that 5150 III looks so cute

plus so far what i've heard of it, it doesn't sound bad at all.

and i love fender amps.
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Quote by ScareyXD
Had my heart set on a 6505+ for a while, but I realized that 120 watts would be overkill for me. Would never be able to crank it. So, I've been looking for a head thats 50 Watts or so that can get close to the gain levels of the 6505+. My budget is about £800/$1300.
You do NOT need to crank a 6505 to get a good sound. 99% of it's gain comes from the preamp so there's no requirement to push the power section. It'll sound just fine at low volumes. Don't let the wattage limit your choices. You won't even be able to crank a 50w for that matter, hell not even a 20w can be cranked easily.

If you like the sound of a 6505, then by all means get a 6505. Who gives a fuck if you aren't using it to its "full potential"? I have a quad-core CPU in my computer, and I'm not doing complex rocket science calculations 24/7 for the federal government.
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