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Really looking into these guitars, but the amount of choices available is somewhat overwhelming.

Currently I'm looking at, what I think about them and what the price seems to be:

AF75TDG, I like this guitar a lot, and found one for 420$ locally, but they seem kinda large and limited in terms of rockin' ness

AGR70, I like the full hollow body, but the AF's are just kinda giant, this seems like a nice alternative, looks like it was meant to play rock and not smooth jazz. 450$

AS73, Semi hollow, cheaper than the others, I like the new black color, but wasn't a fan of the old red, (everyone has it) but it seems like they'll take a while to arrive locally, and I have concerns about the quality. 350-400$

AS93, Very pretty slightly better AS73, however it's a hundred dollars more than what I've been looking at and I'm on a tight budget (Is it worth the money?). (being in highschool without a job is kinda tough)


Basically do you guys recommend one of these over the others, or some other model I haven't listed?
#5
The problem I have with these is the same problem I had with my short-lived sheraton. It's fully laminated which sucks the life out of the sound.

Don't get me wrong it will sound good if you haven't played a gretsch or rickenbaker, or ES335, because you'll have no grounds of comparison, but in the grand scheme of things it's a 500$, entry level guitar.
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#6
Quote by mike_oxbig
Don't get me wrong it will sound good if you haven't played a gretsch or rickenbaker, or ES335, because you'll have no grounds of comparison, but in the grand scheme of things it's a 500$, entry level guitar.




Considering the Artcore series has a good reputation, albeit maybe not on UG, and Rickenbackers and Gretsches cannot compare... I own a Ric, and owned a 360 last year, and gave my Gretsch to my father-in-law. When I heard the LOWEST priced Ibanez Artcore, I was impressed because it didn't sound like any of these guitars, and did not try to emulate them.

Forgo UG poster's advice, and play the guitar yourself, OP.
#7
It's the exact same shape build and configuration as the original. But it's not trying to imitate the original?

ok bud
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Capitalization is the difference between "I helped my Uncle Jack off the horse" and "i helped my uncle jack off the horse"
Quote by stepchildusmc
either way your gonna need a big bucket... how you set it under the horse is up to you.
#9
Quote by mike_oxbig
It's the exact same shape build and configuration as the original. But it's not trying to imitate the original?

ok bud

Kind of like how most Ibanez are based on a Strat build, but don't sound like Fenders?

Please.
#10
doesn't change the fact that they're trying to emulate the original

that's always what ibanez has been about. they have what, one original guitar? and how many clones?

look i'm not knocking ibanez, but do some research. They build clones. It's what they do. If they built a solid wood clone they'd probably do an awesome job, but it would still be a clone.
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Capitalization is the difference between "I helped my Uncle Jack off the horse" and "i helped my uncle jack off the horse"
Quote by stepchildusmc
either way your gonna need a big bucket... how you set it under the horse is up to you.
#11
Quote by mike_oxbig
doesn't change the fact that they're trying to emulate the original

that's always what ibanez has been about. they have what, one original guitar? and how many clones?

look i'm not knocking ibanez, but do some research. They build clones. It's what they do. If they built a solid wood clone they'd probably do an awesome job, but it would still be a clone.


Do you know what emulate means? A clone is not an emulation. Ibanez does, indeed, build similar guitars to other companies, and I never said they didn't.

The Artcore series are not intended to emulate the 335. They have their own unique sound. If you put one next to the other, you would find the Ibanezs have better highs.
#12
Emulate: (verb) to equal or approach equality with

Synonyms: Add up to, Come to, Correspond to, Amount to, Equal

Examples:
She grew up EMULATING her sports heroes
Artists EMULATING the style of her teachers

If you've reduced this to a grammar debate and also lost at that, I think we're done here.
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Capitalization is the difference between "I helped my Uncle Jack off the horse" and "i helped my uncle jack off the horse"
Quote by stepchildusmc
either way your gonna need a big bucket... how you set it under the horse is up to you.
#13
I like the Artcores. I think the main differences between the ones you've chosen is mostly aesthetics & feel.

They will not sound like a Gretsch, mostly because they tend to have deeper, more resonant bodies.
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#14
Quote by mike_oxbig
If you've reduced this to a grammar debate and also lost at that, I think we're done here.

I'm fine with that.

1. to try to equal or excel; imitate with effort to equal or surpass: to emulate one's father as a concert violinist.
2. to rival with some degree of success: Some smaller cities now emulate the major capitals in their cultural offerings.

As I said, Ibanez Artcores aren't trying to emulate any guitar. That's like saying when The Beatles tried to "emulate" the Beach Boys for Sgt. Pepper, they tried to clone them. I believe that's not the case.
#15
If they were trying to surpass the original they wouldn't be fully laminated

just sayin'. Guitars with acoustic characteristics sound better with real wood. Ergo they weren't trying to improve on the original design, they were trying to make a copy that they could sell for less as an entry level version of the real deal, as i said in my first post.
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Capitalization is the difference between "I helped my Uncle Jack off the horse" and "i helped my uncle jack off the horse"
Quote by stepchildusmc
either way your gonna need a big bucket... how you set it under the horse is up to you.
#16
"Try to equal or excel."

And I definitely never said Ibanez wanted a BETTER guitar than a 335. That's subjective, anyway.
#17
did you really just take 6 posts to come around full circle and agree with me that it's a low quality clone of the original, and somehow still be under the impression that there's an active debate happening.

jesus christ i should have left it alone when i saw you were from georgia. wasn't forrest gump from georgia.
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Capitalization is the difference between "I helped my Uncle Jack off the horse" and "i helped my uncle jack off the horse"
Quote by stepchildusmc
either way your gonna need a big bucket... how you set it under the horse is up to you.
#18
Quote by mike_oxbig
did you really just take 6 posts to come around full circle and agree with me that it's a low quality clone of the original, and somehow still be under the impression that there's an active debate happening.

jesus christ i should have left it alone when i saw you were from georgia. wasn't forrest gump from georgia.


I never said it was a "low quality clone."

Forrest Gump was from Alabama, by the way. I don't know where you're from, but I certainly wouldn't make a STUPID generalization about someone based on their geographic region.
#19
I'm done with you. tell buck he failed as a teacher.
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Capitalization is the difference between "I helped my Uncle Jack off the horse" and "i helped my uncle jack off the horse"
Quote by stepchildusmc
either way your gonna need a big bucket... how you set it under the horse is up to you.
#20
Quote by mike_oxbig
I'm done with you. tell buck he failed as a teacher.

Considering that Peter Buck is a guitar player, and is from Athens, Georgia... In your book, he was a bad teacher to begin with.

Notice I haven't resorted to personally insulting you, unlike your style.
#21
If you can pull it off feel free. i'm not the one trying to argue semantics in order to complicate a very simple matter, so the only personal insult relevant to this debate would be that i'm an asshole, and shockingly enough i've known that for a while.
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Capitalization is the difference between "I helped my Uncle Jack off the horse" and "i helped my uncle jack off the horse"
Quote by stepchildusmc
either way your gonna need a big bucket... how you set it under the horse is up to you.
#22
Quote by mike_oxbig
If you can pull it off feel free. i'm not the one trying to argue semantics in order to complicate a very simple matter, so the only personal insult relevant to this debate would be that i'm an asshole, and shockingly enough i've known that for a while.

You said you were done with me. Why are you still here?

If you're an "asshole," then why are you surprised when I use logic and common sense?

I think you need to review my posts, and then look at yours from an objective point of view.
#23
ok, here's a review.

Chapter 1: The Irony

Me: Artcores are an entry level version of the real thing
You: Artcores don't try to emulate the real thing
Me: Artcores imitate the shape, style, build, hardware, and electronic configuration of the real thing, but use cheap parts, therefor it's an entry level clone.
You: Do you know what emulate means? (later identified as "aspire to equal or excel", thus indicating that since it imitates without emulating, that it is in fact a low quality clone.

Conclusion? You just argued with me while proving my point.

Chapter 2: The ignorant pacifist

You: Yeah. It means "EQUAL OR EXCEL"
Me: You're stupid
You: I don't resort to insults, because buck taught me to love all men.

Conclusion? buck taught you well.
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Capitalization is the difference between "I helped my Uncle Jack off the horse" and "i helped my uncle jack off the horse"
Quote by stepchildusmc
either way your gonna need a big bucket... how you set it under the horse is up to you.
Last edited by mike_oxbig at Jan 26, 2012,
#24
Anyways OP, if you can, try as many guitars out as you can. You don't HAVE to stick to Artcores, unless you have already decided on them. Epiphone, Hagstrom and other company's make fairly good semi-hollows.
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#25
Quote by Buck's Student
You said you were done with me. Why are you still here?

If you're an "asshole," then why are you surprised when I use logic and common sense?

I think you need to review my posts, and then look at yours from an objective point of view.


I think you need to step back and look at your time on UG today.
Nothing really helpful, tons of bickering and bashing and no actual advice given.

Even if I hadn't argued with you I'd think you were a douche.

Positive sidenote: some nice covers on your yt channel.

Edit: Sorry for off topic post TS! I really am.
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#26
I think you hurt his feelings stoned, you know you're really insensitive sometimes
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Capitalization is the difference between "I helped my Uncle Jack off the horse" and "i helped my uncle jack off the horse"
Quote by stepchildusmc
either way your gonna need a big bucket... how you set it under the horse is up to you.
#27
Quote by Buck's Student
I never understand this problem: Why can't you try one out?


I have played the AF75TDG a lot at a local store, and the AS73 and AF75 not quite as much at guitar center, and the other two I can't seem to find locally.

The actions seems pretty high on the AF75TDG and AF75 I've played but I'm sure it could be lowered, as I have not been able to play a well set up version I thought I'd ask around online.


I've tried Epi Dot's as they are the other well respected model in my price range, but I like the artcores better and have heard so many good things about them online.


Edit: I'm not reading any of this petty argument that wasted a page and a half of this thread.
Last edited by Makko Mace at Jan 26, 2012,
#28
Even Gibson 335s are laminated.

Damn those Gibson tone-suckers!
Last edited by Spud Spudly at Jan 26, 2012,
#29
OP - I currently own an AFS75T, similar to this one (mine is older and has block inlays instead of what these have). Read the reviews...

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/ibanez-artcore-afs75t-electric-guitar/519452000016000

A very nice guitar. And it is pretty thin, which I think you said you were looking for. Not the most expensive guitar in the world, but very fun to play and sounds pretty good too. I still have the stock pickups and they sound fine, but if you put some upgraded ones in there, it would be super-nice.
#30
Quote by mike_oxbig
I think you hurt his feelings stoned, you know you're really insensitive sometimes

I'm not sure where you came to that conclusion. I'm quite excited by you guys getting so worked up.
#31
Quote by ColoradoMac
OP - I currently own an AFS75T, similar to this one (mine is older and has block inlays instead of what these have). Read the reviews...

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/ibanez-artcore-afs75t-electric-guitar/519452000016000

A very nice guitar. And it is pretty thin, which I think you said you were looking for. Not the most expensive guitar in the world, but very fun to play and sounds pretty good too. I still have the stock pickups and they sound fine, but if you put some upgraded ones in there, it would be super-nice.


Yeah I saw that, the the only thing stopping me from getting one is the color, red isn't really my style.
#32
Quote by Buck's Student
I'm not sure where you came to that conclusion. I'm quite excited by you guys getting so worked up.


Can you guys take this somewhere else?
#33
Ibanez makes some great guitars, and their AS line is no exception. I used to have an AS73... great guitar, with upgraded pickups it didn't give up very much at all to my Gibson 335.

By the way, to the poster who made the comment about them being made of laminated wood, so are Gibson 335s, most other semi-hollows, and many full hollow-bodies, including many very high end instruments.
#34
I bought afs80t in green and love it. It is a full hollowbody but half as thick. It also comes in orange and blue.
#35
Quote by Makko Mace
Can you guys take this somewhere else?

You should call the police once that guy with the gun to your head takes a piss. It's not nice of him to make you read these posts.
#36
I have had an AS73 since October. Yes it is the red one. Would have picked another color but I got an awesome deal on it. Sold to me as used, but it had to be NIB.

Pickups are a little weak for me, but not enough that it hurts my ability to enjoy the guitar. Besides, all I'm doing is some bedroom playing, no gigging out or anything. Sounds really nice through a good tube amp. For example, I played through a Peavey Delta Blues at a friends house and it was stomping.

It came out the box setup pretty well. The neck plays really well, it is just easy to play. That is the most important thing to me when buying a guitar. I can change the electronics and hardware, I just want the body and neck to work right.

My past experience with semi-hollows includes a few of the Epi's, like the Dot and Casino. I would pick the AS73 over either of those. I looked extensively and several of the Epi models and was not very happy with them. Saw a good deal online for the AS73 and went for it and scored big.
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#37
I just picked up an '04 Ibanez AK85 full hollow body AND an '07 Epi Sheraton II semi-hollow. Both a great guitars for the money. Am I concerned with what is a clone or what is being emulated? No... I liked the way they looked, sounded, felt and played.

Go out... Look, listen, feel, and play as many as you can, the the one that suits you. Only you can decided if its worth YOUR money.

FYI... MOST hollow and semi-hollow archtops are laminated.
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#38
Quote by mike_oxbig
The problem I have with these is the same problem I had with my short-lived sheraton. It's fully laminated which sucks the life out of the sound.

Don't get me wrong it will sound good if you haven't played a gretsch or rickenbaker, or ES335, because you'll have no grounds of comparison, but in the grand scheme of things it's a 500$, entry level guitar.

o_0

I have an Epi Sheraton and Dot and I've played some of the Artcores and although you won't mistake them for a Gibson CS 336 (have one) or ES 335 (had one). They're fine guitars for the price, an opinion, and very nice Bang for the $$$, used, if you're on a strict budget.

The Epi sounds awesome from Clean to in-your-face High Gain. It doesn't feel as nice as the higher-end models but it's not a deal-breaker either.



Makko Mace, the pricier it gets, playability/feel usually gets better, but not always. Heck, I love my inexpensive Squier Classic Vibe Tele. You really need to audition those models!

#39
I'm not getting back into this...but a few weeks ago i had a sheraton 2, thought it was great, went to my guitar lesson, played my teacher's rickenbaker, came home and sold the sheraton.

I'm not gonna drag this through the dirt any more, my opinion based on experience is that the real wood versions sound a lot better. I concede that the ES-335 has a laminated top and sides, I didn't look into it, i just assumed. It also has a solid maple core and much better electronics and hardware.

I've just finished selling all my middle to lower end guitars, and If i had never bought 8 or 9 guitars that were OK i could have had 3 or 4 guitars that were great. If i could take it back i would, so that's how I will recommend other people invest.
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Capitalization is the difference between "I helped my Uncle Jack off the horse" and "i helped my uncle jack off the horse"
Quote by stepchildusmc
either way your gonna need a big bucket... how you set it under the horse is up to you.
#40
Quote by mike_oxbig
I'm not getting back into this...but a few weeks ago i had a sheraton 2, thought it was great, went to my guitar lesson, played my teacher's rickenbaker, came home and sold the sheraton.

I'm not gonna drag this through the dirt any more, my opinion based on experience is that the real wood versions sound a lot better. I concede that the ES-335 has a laminated top and sides, I didn't look into it, i just assumed. It also has a solid maple core and much better electronics and hardware.

I've just finished selling all my middle to lower end guitars, and If i had never bought 8 or 9 guitars that were OK i could have had 3 or 4 guitars that were great. If i could take it back i would, so that's how I will recommend other people invest.

Preference! And that's cool.

Sound plan!
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