Poll: Naturalization test to vote
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Yes
15 27%
No
41 73%
Voters: 56.
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#1
After reading the drug test on welfare thread I remembered this little debacle along the same vein... Should citizens of a country who were born there have to take, and pass, a naturalization test (or equivalent that tests on their country's political process perhaps) before they are allowed to vote?
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#2
They should take some kind of moron test before being allowed to vote. Like maybe solve a few puzzles, go to an interview, have the voting booth in the middle of a giant maze etc...
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#3
I want to say yes soooooo badly, but I still think no.

It is a persons right.
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#5
On one hand it really disturbs me that the direction of my country can be and is determined by a bunch of dipshits that don't know the first thing about what they're voting for. On the other hand, it would be a huge difficult thing to figure out what kind of knowledge is necessary to allow voting.
#6
No. The powers that be could slant questions to put certain groups of people at a disadvantage to pass. Voting is a right for all citizens no matter how stupid you are.
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#9
A naturalization test, no. A test about whether they're correctly informed about whatever issue/politician they're voting for, yes please.
#10
No.


If they take the time to register themselves, they clearly have some desire to vote. If they truly don't care, they won't register and they won't vote.
#11
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No.


If they take the time to register themselves, they clearly have some desire to vote. If they truly don't care, they won't register and they won't vote.

Having a desire to do something doesn't make you qualified to do it.
#12
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Having a desire to do something doesn't make you qualified to do it.



We're talking about voting. Not shooting guns or flying airplanes.
#13
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We're talking about voting. Not shooting guns or flying airplanes.

The consequences of voting are arguably greater than those of a couple nut jobs who choose to shoot a few people or fly a plane into a building or two.
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#14
I've always thought that there should be a test to make sure that potential voters know about each of the candidates policies.
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#15
Whether or not someone chooses to research the candidates before voting is their choice. I'd rather not regulate it in some manner.
#16
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I've always thought that there should be a test to make sure that potential voters know about each of the candidates policies.

That's stupid because the test will likely be discriminatory towards people from a low socioeconomic class (see: minorities) and people from a background with little education and poor access to information. This will in turn lead to a biased sampling of rich people who will elect politicians that will act in the wealthy minorities interests (see: Republicans).

In fact, literacy tests were instated to prevent blacks from voting in the past.
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#17
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Having a desire to do something doesn't make you qualified to do it.

Last time I checked you don't need a qualification to take part in democracy.



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#18
What does drug use have to do with:
Working at a job, or political views?
I can take drugs and work responsibly at your company, and i am can have political views even though i take drugs.
#19
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Whether or not someone chooses to research the candidates before voting is their choice. I'd rather not regulate it in some manner.

Of course it's their choice, but one cannot elect a representative that will act in their best interest if the cues they are basing their vote off of are anything but the nominees policies and past voting record. It's reckless and contrary to a representative democracy for people to base their vote on one or two hot button social issues that the popular media fixates on.
#20
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Of course it's their choice, but one cannot elect a representative that will act in their best interest if the cues they are basing their vote off of are anything but the nominees policies and past voting record. It's reckless and contrary to a representative democracy for people to base their vote on one or two hot button social issues that the popular media fixates on.



I'm not disagreeing with you on that point, but I don't like the idea of any sort of requirement to vote that involves forcing someone to learn about the candidates before voting.


If they want to learn about them, they will. If not, they won't. Either way they should have the choice.
#21
No.
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#22
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I'm not disagreeing with you on that point, but I don't like the idea of any sort of requirement to vote that involves forcing someone to learn about the candidates before voting.


If they want to learn about them, they will. If not, they won't. Either way they should have the choice.

We force them to attend public schools and learn all sorts of menial shit until they're 16, what's one more thing going to hurt? Especially considering that it's going to have a direct impact on the political policies of the country for years to come.
#23
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That's stupid because the test will likely be discriminatory towards people from a low socioeconomic class (see: minorities) and people from a background with little education and poor access to information. This will in turn lead to a biased sampling of rich people who will elect politicians that will act in the wealthy minorities interests (see: Republicans).

In fact, literacy tests were instated to prevent blacks from voting in the past.


My reasoning for a test like I recommended is that it's so much easier to find out what stances politicians have that you wouldn't have that much of a problem. The one thing I can think of that would make it work great is if there was a way to have the policies explained to you in an unbiased way that makes sense to the average person.
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#24
I want to say yes, but my principles say no.
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#25
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They should take some kind of moron test before being allowed to vote. Like maybe solve a few puzzles, go to an interview, have the voting booth in the middle of a giant maze etc...

Yeah, definitely this.

I'm undecided about other tests though.
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#26
Quote by RU Experienced?
Of course it's their choice, but one cannot elect a representative that will act in their best interest if the cues they are basing their vote off of are anything but the nominees policies and past voting record. It's reckless and contrary to a representative democracy for people to base their vote on one or two hot button social issues that the popular media fixates on.


That has never happened.

What has always been the thing people have focused on is the party of the candidate.

EDIT:

For the topic at hand, I don't care either way. I don't think people have any rights (inherently) so I could go either way.
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#27
Quote by RU Experienced?
We force them to attend public schools and learn all sorts of menial shit until they're 16, what's one more thing going to hurt? Especially considering that it's going to have a direct impact on the political policies of the country for years to come.

So I have to go back to school to earn the right to vote?
Ya that's gonna be a learning rich environment.
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#28
I voted without reading the OP and voted yes when I should have put no.
#29
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So I have to go back to school to earn the right to vote?
Ya that's gonna be a learning rich environment.

You'll be suspended without pay until you can pass an exam on running candidates. Everyone will be able to pass within a day.
#30
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#31
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That has never happened.

What has always been the thing people have focused on is the party of the candidate.

EDIT:

For the topic at hand, I don't care either way. I don't think people have any rights (inherently) so I could go either way.

No one has rights that's true but you can have an opinion about if you think it's a good idea or not.
#32
If that happens there will be no one in the voting pool to represent the needs of the dumb.
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#33
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You'll be suspended without pay until you can pass an exam on running candidates. Everyone will be able to pass within a day.

So now my employment is predicated upon me voting? Tell me more Mr. Stalin.
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You know, I was going to say yes, but after seeing this I changed my mind. No, I don't think you should, our history shows how that can be used against us.
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#37
Nope. Jim Crow literacy tests, etc. Too much potential to abuse it. The right answer would be to just do your best to educate the people, without having to make ot a requirement.
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#38
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You'll be suspended without pay until you can pass an exam on running candidates. Everyone will be able to pass within a day.

What the ****? I hope your trolling.
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#39
If you haven't learned anything in the number of history classes you have to take in school, then a naturalization test won't help either. No.
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#40
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They should take some kind of moron test before being allowed to vote. Like maybe solve a few puzzles, go to an interview, have the voting booth in the middle of a giant maze etc...
This. I've heard my parents say something like this before, and I totally agree.
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