right guys & girls, looking at getting a les paul guitar, wanna keep it at a low budget... so naturally i went to thomann.de

first thing i saw was the HARLEY BENTON HBL400CS LIMITED 2 link

then there was the EPIPHONE LP SPECIAL I LTD.ED. WBK link

or there's the HARLEY BENTON HBL450CS link

i'm more inclined to go with the archtops of the HB's than the epi

i WILL upgrade it bit by bit slowly but surely but i don't know yet as to how much i'll put into it, i just want a les paul guitar to add to my collection.

out of the 2 HB's i'm more inclined to go with the HBL400CS LIMITED 2

what are harley benton's like???

are they any good build-wise?

do they sound alright stock? (bear in mind i'm NOT going to gig with it, just mess about at home)

cheers people!
Before I bought my Les Paul, I played Epi's as well as HB's before I ended up picking something else. Have a look here. A bit more money but so much more value for the money!
Vintage V100 Les Paul Icon Gold Top
Indie Shape "Black Jack" Special Edition
Stagg Dreadnought Acoustic
Peavey Vypyr 15 modeling amp
yeh i've had a glance at vintage's

heard they're meant to be good, but i've also heard good things about harley benton as well... =/
Would not surprise me if Harley benton and Vintage are made in the same factory.
I can only vouch for the Vintage though. Quite solid guitar, especially for this price.

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Vox Tonelab ST
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STAY AWAY from ALL things Harley Benton.

They're below the bottom of the bottom in terms of quality. Seriously.

I think Thomann.de actually owns the brand.