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#1
For the sake of clarity, by materialism, I'm not talking about it so much in the theory of philosophy, but simply a preoccupation with material things.

Simply put; What are your thoughts on materialism? Do you think that materialism is always bad? And do you think the less materialistic a person is, the better? Do you think materialism hurts intellectualism and gives people bad reasons for motivation?

Discuss.
#4
I love my things. I also love money so I can buy more things.


things things money money blah blah.
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#5
Materialism is fine unless it leads to a person being an insufferable cock about it.
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#6
Meterial things only result in temporary happiness. They lead to attachment, and attachment leads to suffering. The ability to find happiness is easiest when losing the sense of attachment to material things. It's possible to be happy with material things, but long term happiness is found without the presence of them. If you're using material things to find happiness, you're only prolonging the search for real happiness.


But I do like my material things at this point in my life. I'll find true happiness later.
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Excessive consumerism bothers me more than materialism. I think property is good for people, being controlled by a ton of commercialism and consumer culture is not.

Materialism and consumerism are pretty interwoven.
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#10
Materialism is disgusting. I can't think of a situation where it's good other than when it's necessary, such as needing the right products to do your job. Yes, less materialistic people are better. Yes, people who are materialistic are usually stupid and/or lacking in moral values.

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#11
I like buying things and having things. Whoever said money couldn't buy happiness was a total idiot.
#12
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#13
Money can't buy you happiness, but let's be honest, crying in a Ferrari doesn't sound that bad.
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#14
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Materialism and consumerism are pretty interwoven.



You have to be a materialist to be a "consumerist," and I guess in the usual sense of the word the opposite is true, but in the sense it's used here, "preoccupation with material things," you don't have to be a consumerist to be a materialist.
#15
I think money CAN buy you happiness.
Being in a band and touring would make me happy. I can't buy guitar skill or practice time, but I sure as hell can use money to buy amazing equipment so I sound better and am motivated to play more, and can tour often.
I want to be a doctor when I'm older, I need ****-loads of money for med-school, but it will be worth it because it will make me happy.
I like watching movies, I need money to get them, etc

Maybe it doesn't buy it directly, but money helps.
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Meterial things only result in temporary happiness. They lead to attachment, and attachment leads to suffering. The ability to find happiness is easiest when losing the sense of attachment to material things. It's possible to be happy with material things, but long term happiness is found without the presence of them. If you're using material things to find happiness, you're only prolonging the search for real happiness.


But I do like my material things at this point in my life. I'll find true happiness later.


Pretty succinctly put. However, materialism does help drive business and the economy
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I think money CAN buy you happiness.
Being in a band and touring would make me happy. I can't buy guitar skill or practice time, but I sure as hell can use money to buy amazing equipment so I sound better and am motivated to play more, and can tour often.
I want to be a doctor when I'm older, I need ****-loads of money for med-school, but it will be worth it because it will make me happy.
I like watching movies, I need money to get them, etc

Maybe it doesn't buy it directly, but money helps.

Is money the source of your happiness when attempting to achieve those things?

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Pretty succinctly put. However, materialism does help drive business and the economy


Is that a good thing?
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#19
Go up to a girl in a bar and tell her that you'd buy her a BMW. She'll be repulsed.
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#20
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lacking in moral values.

You say something silly like this and expect people not to view you as stupid (quite rightly if I may add)? Stick to music champ.
#21
Material things can't give you happiness.... but they definitely don't prevent it.


Unless you win the lottery/get a large inheritance. For some reason it seems that whenever someone gets a large deal of money without earning it, it ends up ruining their lives.
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#22
I also want to point out that, at least to me, the object (money, guitar, etc.) is not the inherently evil thing. There's nothing wrong with having these objects and wanting these objects and enjoying these objects. But when you rely on these objects for happiness is when it becomes negative. It's important to realize that the objects are only making you temporarily happy and generally should not be relied upon to make you happy all of the time. If you can realize that and control yourself and not be selfish about it then go enjoy some material things.

All things in moderation.
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Is money the source of your happiness when attempting to achieve those things?


Money isn't the source, but it is the means. I couldn't go on a massive tour with shitty equipment, I need money to sound good. Spending isn't the reason I'd be happy, but what I got out of what I spent money on is.
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I think money CAN buy you happiness.
Being in a band and touring would make me happy. I can't buy guitar skill or practice time, but I sure as hell can use money to buy amazing equipment so I sound better and am motivated to play more, and can tour often.
I want to be a doctor when I'm older, I need ****-loads of money for med-school, but it will be worth it because it will make me happy.
I like watching movies, I need money to get them, etc

Maybe it doesn't buy it directly, but money helps.

But that's not directly materialism itself. Going to med school is not an object, it's a pursuit. Making music is a pursuit, the equipment as a means to reach it.

Sure, money can buy happiness, but having the biggest screen TV or the flashiest car is not going to bring happiness.

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But that's not directly materialism itself. Going to med school is not an object, it's a pursuit. Making music is a pursuit, the equipment as a means to reach it.

Sure, money can buy happiness, but having the biggest screen TV or the flashiest car is not going to bring happiness.



I agree. Money can buy the stability and leisure to let you do what you want and thus bring you happiness, disposable crap like TVs and a new car don't facilitate those things.
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disposable crap like TVs and a new car don't facilitate those things.

The keyword here is disposable, and it's very damaging. Every year, companies make shitty products that is literally garbage which piles up the landfills half a year after it leaves the factory as something mildly better renders it totally useless (not that it wasn't useless before).

The worst part, especially when it comes to consumer electronics, is not that there is excess materialism. It's that the materials themselves suck and were a complete waste of resources to begin with.

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Sure, money can buy happiness, but having the biggest screen TV or the flashiest car is not going to bring happiness.

I don't know about you, but getting a new Ferrari, Lamborghini, or Bugatti, would make me pretty damn happy.
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I don't know about you, but getting a new Ferrari, Lamborghini, or Bugatti, would make me pretty damn happy.

Sure, for the novel feeling of having them. Then what?

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#29
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Simply put; What are your thoughts on materialism?


I think it's one of the biggest problems facing the first world society and would place it on the same level as religious dogmatism. Rampant consumerism propagates the delusion that happiness is achieved through accumulation of goods. It's troubling because it pervades every aspect of life and the propaganda has intensified over recent decades.
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Sure, for the novel feeling of having them. Then what?

If you're really into cars then having a Ferrari would be like a life goal completed. Plus, bitches.
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#31
I think it's too easy to dismiss people as hippies or overly idealistic when the issue of materialism is discussed. We live in a world with finite resources but we don't act like it.
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#32
materialism makes you unhappy because you end up with so much junk and it weighs you down and stops you being free. Minimalism is better.
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#33
Well, the world is made of material things, so how is the preoccupation of material things bad?


Okay, not trying to sound like a smartass, I don't see much of a problem, at least not the "it's the root of all evil!" problem people make it out to be.

Obviously there's wrongness in abuse. People buying 10 sports car a day while neglecting other parts of their lives is not good.

But the act of "preocuppying yourself with material things" itself is not bad.
#34
I just got back from my first trip overseas, and I must say - we are greedy, fat and very wasteful people.

Why do we trick ourselves into believing we need all this useless shit?
#35
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I just got back from my first trip overseas, and I must say - we are greedy, fat and very wasteful people.

Why do we trick ourselves into believing we need all this useless shit?

Because advertising tries to create associations between genuine, normal human desires and their products.

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#36
youre asking a bunch of guitar players what we think of materialism when we couldnt go a day without jerkin off our wood.
#38
Well you are using internet in a new generation PC,right?

Hypocrite.
#39
ma·te·ri·al·ism/məˈti(ərēəˌlizəm/
Noun:
A tendency to consider material possessions and physical comfort as more important than spiritual values.

idk

I value physical comfort pretty damn high, but I think spiritual values are also important as it makes us who we are.

I think a problem arises when people start to define themselves by the things they own and start to want stuff just for the sake of owning it.
#40
I like stuff, but I try to realise that at any given point in my life, I would be able to deal with losing everything that I own.
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