#1
Yay!! will save for one!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyPgBzqKlUs

Could this be the new era for amps ? :P

What are your toughts about this?
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#2
But, it's a year old already...
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#3
That was interesting but that profiler has a horrible phase issue. They need more mics, and a room to capture the amp's tone better.

Honestly though, why buy this? From my understanding this will only sound as good as the equipment you have. You couldn't "profile" anything good without a cab with good speakers, wood, and construction. You need great mics, and I like to do it how Steve Vai has suggested in a Home recording mag, so right there is a lot of money exculding the tube amp to profile your own. Then again if you are buying this, you are probably already loaded

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#4
I really like the idea of this thing, but my understanding is that you need to have access to the amp to profile the tone. Basically, it's an Axe-FX, without all the work put into it to profile a bunch of different amps. Yes, it's cool that you can profile obscure amps that many modeling companies wouldn't think to do... but at the same time - You have to own or have access to said amp to do so, and most people who are interested in these sorts of things, don't have access to them, which is kind of the point of buying a modeling technology. It's not like a store like Guitar Center is going to let you come in and profile all their amps in the store freely

It's a really cool idea, but poorly implemented IMO.
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#5
Actually, how the Kemper works is this:
It comes loaded with a bunch of profiled amps, effects, stompboxes ect..

You can profile any guitar amp you have and it saves to the Kemper so you can have that amp anywhere you go without lugging it around.

Also, you can download profiles of amps that other Kemper users profiled and mos of those profiles are free to download. I think this could be the future of guitar playing.

Here's a good demo. http://soundcloud.com/temper59/kemper-profiling-amp-foxglove
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#6
Meh. Sounds...eh.
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#7
Quote by kutless999
Actually, how the Kemper works is this:
It comes loaded with a bunch of profiled amps, effects, stompboxes ect..

You can profile any guitar amp you have and it saves to the Kemper so you can have that amp anywhere you go without lugging it around.

Also, you can download profiles of amps that other Kemper users profiled and mos of those profiles are free to download. I think this could be the future of guitar playing.

Here's a good demo. http://soundcloud.com/temper59/kemper-profiling-amp-foxglove


Look at the cost though. That scares away most people. If they can mass produce this good enough to drop it to say $600, then maybe. I would rather buy a real tube before spending $2,000 on an amp that records other amps. Just my opinion though.

I wouldn't like doing what I bolded. If they don't record it right, it'll be out of phase. Even if the microphones are a fraction of an inch or centimeter off, it's out of phase. One microphone recording doesn't cut it ethier. It's a good idea, but not well thought out.
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#8
Yeah, but would you rather have; one good amp for $1800 or thousands of amps that sound very good for $1800?
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#9
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Yeah, but would you rather have; one good amp for $1800 or thousands of amps that sound very good for $1800?


You got your logic wrong. If this thing "profiles" other amps, it sounds the same or worse. Chances are worse seeing how they profiled the sound. Refer to my edit above about phases on recording with mics. I would rather the one amp that has real tubes that I know will sound like the real thing. Truth is though, if you get a quality tube amp, it'll do every genre you need with maybe a pedal or two and some EQing.
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#10
I'd rather have one good amp that is worth the $1800. I can imagine most of the people that would own this may not even be able to profile their gear properly. Similar to how most patches you can download for Line 6 products are just not even worth using.
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#11
I think this would have some use in a studio where they could profile amps/effects/guitars that an customer brings in and be able to use that for other customers
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#12
I remember when the buzz about that thing first started. It's really impressive, but I'll keep my tubes and simplicity of not having to have a dead-perfect, super expensive setup to profile amps correctly.
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#13
Let me grab one of those and a self tuning guitar please. Screw musicianship and knowing your instrument/gear, thats ancient bull.
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#14
Quote by kutless999
Actually, how the Kemper works is this:
It comes loaded with a bunch of profiled amps, effects, stompboxes ect..

You can profile any guitar amp you have and it saves to the Kemper so you can have that amp anywhere you go without lugging it around.

Also, you can download profiles of amps that other Kemper users profiled and mos of those profiles are free to download. I think this could be the future of guitar playing.

Here's a good demo. http://soundcloud.com/temper59/kemper-profiling-amp-foxglove

That's pretty cool, actually. If you can download amps from other users, that could be pretty awesome.

The only issue I have with it, is that all the clips I've heard of it didn't sound too convincing to me. Good, but not as good as the real thing

If they could perfect this, it could be huge though.


I have a feeling that all it's doing though, is just match EQing the incoming signal to a sound profile built into it and then allows you to tweak it from there. Not really a huge revelation, since you can do it with Ozone for like $200.
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#16
Sounds nice.
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#17
1)It comes loaded with a couple of profiled amps

2) Sound wise, it is near impossible to tell the difference under appropiate experimental conditions.
And it is no new fact that the ears of extremely experienced Audio Engineers have already failed tests against VSTI´s like Guitar Rig, Waves GTR and others..

3) If only one could sneak into a guitar Store and profile the shit out of everything.. XD
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#18
Nice stuff, this thing would be great if it works as described. They should place one at local GC to test out, would be fun to take your amp down there & see how good it is at profiling it.

Normally profiling was being down with audio spectrum analysers, they were software level though & could be used to plot curves which then provided the necessary data which helped to get a specific sound in the studio. The Kempler seems to do it in real time & with ease too. Cool to know that something like this exists out there.
#19
This is my favorite clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxLK_YLUDmw&feature=share

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Here's the thing, Like the Axe, you can go BEYOND the parameters an amp usually has. MOre than +12db of gain + turning any tone stack active.

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Honestly though, why buy this? From my understanding this will only sound as good as the equipment you have. You couldn't "profile" anything good without a cab with good speakers, wood, and construction. You need great mics, and I like to do it how Steve Vai has suggested in a Home recording mag, so right there is a lot of money exculding the tube amp to profile your own. Then again if you are buying this, you are probably already loaded



You can SEPARATE the cab from the amp. How it's done, I don't know. You can profile stompboxes as well. There are really badass profiles I hear every week on the kemper forums.

You don't need expensive microphones, there are nice reference microphones that DBX makes to use with their RTA boxes that are full range and have a flat EQ response.
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#20
And right now, Mr. Kemper is working on an update that will actually model the tone stack of the amp that you are profiling.
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#21
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And right now, Mr. Kemper is working on an update that will actually model the tone stack of the amp that you are profiling.


It is more of a library update, you will select the tone stack you want and apply it to the amp so the knobs react the same way. The Axe FX already does this.
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