AndrewAmadeo
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I've had 2 guitars, my Jackson Dinky, and my LTD KH-202.

The LTD I've kept in Standard E forever pretty much, and I use the Dinky for everything else.

I've been trying to tune my LTD to C Standard as the strings on my dinky are higher up from the fret board and I've been starting to learn some Dethklok sweeps and I know it would be much easier to practice on the LTD.

Anyways when I tune down the strings pretty much rattle and the floyd rose is leaning back a little too much I've spent hours trying fix this and tune it.

How much would you expect it to cost to get it tuned at Guitar Center or some local shops? I'm usually a do sh!t my self type person but I've spent hours for days trying to get this tuned.
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stonyman65
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You can't really downtune on a floating Floyd because it messes with the spring tension and you will go all kinds of out of tune. What you need to do is have someone set up your guitar properly to whatever tuning/action you want, and then keep it that way. Or, you could also set it up correctly and have someone install a Tremol-No so you can downtune without the spring tension going all crazy. That's really the only way to do it. If you want a guitar you can change tunings on regularly, get something with a fixed bridge.

Also, it's called a Jackson Dinky. Not a Dingy.
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Sounds good, but how much money am I going to spend to have it set up?

Dinky or Dingy. I usually call it my piece of shit
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Quote by AndrewAmadeo
Sounds good, but how much money am I going to spend to have it set up?

Dinky or Dingy. I usually call it my piece of shit


ok lets get one thing straight, Dinky's re F*king solid
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ok lets get one thing straight, Dinky's re F*king solid


Yes, they truly are, even with the factory pickups they sound great through my 15 watt

But mine is a POS currently, I'm considering putting money into it, but my KH-202 is more of a priority to me right now
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You CAN get it detuned, but it's a long process

places like Guitar Center, and local shops will likely charge you on the amount of time they spend on your guitar

The standard for most shops is $20 per hour of work +any additional parts (which you don't need)

I used to work as a repairs luthier and I used to spend 1-3 hours depending on how screwy the instrument is...

so $20-$60 is your average I guess...
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Wait people are seriously suggesting that you pay someone to do this?
Are you wanting to keep it in C, or regularly change tunings? If you want to be switching between a lot, then block off your trem. If you just want it in C for a while, fix up your dinky. (so you can have a guitar that's still in standard)
Get some higher gauge strings, I use 12's for C. If you usually use 9s for standard then you might want to get a set of 11s. Change the strings, the bridge will probably be leaning up out of the body. Turn it over, take off the backplate and add another spring if you have one. Re-tune. Adjust the springs where you added the screws in if the bridge is still not parallel. You might (almost definitely will) need to adjust the truss rod too. If you have to, then you'll need to re-tune and adjust the springs until it's parallel.

Once you get the hang of it (ie, do this a few times) you'll be able to leave the back plate off and switch from C to D within a couple of minutes. It's not as hard as it seems, just takes a while when you first attempt it.
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ok lets get one thing straight, Dinky's re F*king solid


F*kin A they are..
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It's not that hard to open up the trem cavity and loosen the springs holding the floyd rose down.

Try searching for a tutorial on youtube on how to set up a floyd rose, because you clearly don't know how to. There was one on youtube where a guy does it to his dinky, it was in 6 parts iirc.
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Quote by zincabopataurio
It's not that hard to open up the trem cavity and loosen the springs holding the floyd rose down.

Try searching for a tutorial on youtube on how to set up a floyd rose, because you clearly don't know how to. There was one on youtube where a guy does it to his dinky, it was in 6 parts iirc.


If you are a very impatient person, changing tunings on a floyd rose can be very very annoying.
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AndrewAmadeo
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Thanks for the tips, I'm going to learn how to do this eventually, but I'm just too f'ed up on painkillers from getting my teeth pulled that I can't concentrate on it that great.

I'll probably pay even though its stupid too,
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If you are a very impatient person, changing tunings on a floyd rose can be very very annoying.



Even worse if you have OCD's where everything must be perfect.. Took me awhile to get my trem set and for it to stabilize.. HAD to have it perfectly level hehheh
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Quote by Mufassa
Even worse if you have OCD's where everything must be perfect.. Took me awhile to get my trem set and for it to stabilize.. HAD to have it perfectly level hehheh


At least you could get yours perfectly level, I can fit my pinky underneat my trem. Thats how high it is.
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At least you could get yours perfectly level, I can fit my pinky underneat my trem. Thats how high it is.


Time to learn to setup your trem methinks.
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as you can see.. my trem sets pretty... action is perfect IMO...

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AndrewAmadeo
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Quote by Aleene
Wait people are seriously suggesting that you pay someone to do this?
Are you wanting to keep it in C, or regularly change tunings? If you want to be switching between a lot, then block off your trem. If you just want it in C for a while, fix up your dinky. (so you can have a guitar that's still in standard)
Get some higher gauge strings, I use 12's for C. If you usually use 9s for standard then you might want to get a set of 11s. Change the strings, the bridge will probably be leaning up out of the body. Turn it over, take off the backplate and add another spring if you have one. Re-tune. Adjust the springs where you added the screws in if the bridge is still not parallel. You might (almost definitely will) need to adjust the truss rod too. If you have to, then you'll need to re-tune and adjust the springs until it's parallel.

Once you get the hang of it (ie, do this a few times) you'll be able to leave the back plate off and switch from C to D within a couple of minutes. It's not as hard as it seems, just takes a while when you first attempt it.


Took it to the shop. Paid 15 bucks for a floyd rose set-up. They didn't do shit other than put it in some kind of ****ed up tuning.

My guitar was originally in E
I want it to be in C but the floyd rose is now leaning back and my strings rattle off my frets

I've already spent over 20 hours on the pos and no one has helped at all.

I've been all over the internet. nothing.

I'm pissed beyond belief.
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Quote by AndrewAmadeo
Took it to the shop. Paid 15 bucks for a floyd rose set-up. They didn't do shit other than put it in some kind of ****ed up tuning.

My guitar was originally in E
I want it to be in C but the floyd rose is now leaning back and my strings rattle off my frets

I've already spent over 20 hours on the pos and no one has helped at all.

I've been all over the internet. nothing.

I'm pissed beyond belief.


where do u live
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Kill-Em-All1234
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i want to play in drop c and d standard. how many springs would i need, coz i know i have 3 in and you can have 4 in as well. How do i install the spring if i need too and should tension should be heavy or light
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i want to play in drop c and d standard. how many springs would i need, coz i know i have 3 in and you can have 4 in as well. How do i install the spring if i need too and should tension should be heavy or light



i have my dk2m in D standard with just 3 springs. look up fruda tv and his method of setting up a floyd rose. you can do whatever tuning or string gauge u want and u can set it up quick, fast, and easy.

i think when tuning lower you shouldnt worry about how many springs u have, rather just upping string gauge cause that will counteract most of the tention
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dlowe102
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#21
if you are drop tuning you wont need more springs....
step 1: Block the trem so that it sits level
step 2: tune your guitar
step 3: remove the block
step 4: adjust the sping tension screws to level the bridge.
I hate floyds because when i palm mute them i often push them back making me out of tune
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#22
Okay:

1. You can't "tune" a Floyd Rose. Your Floyd Rose is an apparatus of your instrument, not an actual instrument itself.
2. If you want to have the easiest time with it, block your trem. There are guides in the forum that can explain to you how it's done. It's very easy: you put wood back there.
3. If you want to keep the functionality of the FR, just... set it up? It's kind of confusing at first, I realize, but once you know how to do it the process isn't that difficult. Again, there are guides available.