#1
So i live in a small apartment in the weekdays because of music school. I have a roland microcube. Would a tubescreamer or any other overdrive work on this amp since its a solid state? What overdrives would you reccomend? I like stuff like guthrie govan, grieg howe etc...
#2
Yes, it would 'work'. It may not sound that great, but it will work. All a Tubescreamer does is boost the signal. It does not require a valve amp.

I like my Digitech Bad Monkey, which is good and cheap. You could also look at the Ibanez TS7, which is the same as the Ibanez TS9 but in a different enclosure.
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#3
You can use a tubescreamer for distortion too. I gigged with a TS808 in front of a SS amp for a very long time to get a bit of dirt. It won't get heavy but certainly adds some grit if you turn up the drive knob.
SS won't be your problem, it will be the modelling part of the equation. I can't really comment on what a dirt pedal will sound like in front of a microcube.
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Quote by Raijouta
Yes, it would 'work'. It may not sound that great, but it will work. All a Tubescreamer does is boost the signal. It does not require a valve amp.

I like my Digitech Bad Monkey, which is good and cheap. You could also look at the Ibanez TS7, which is the same as the Ibanez TS9 but in a different enclosure.


Not quite. The TS9 is an analogue effect, while the TS7 (correctly DS7) is a digital distortion pedal, whose sound is miles away - in the wrong direction - from the fabulous TS9.
And I don't think our pal's question was how to add a cheap effect to a solid-state amp, but more like how to add a good overdrive, in order to improve a little the sound of a good solid-state, as the Cube.
Besides the Tube Screamer, you can buy a Lava Box from Seymour Duncan, and also some TUBE overdrive pedals, I mean real tube-driven pedals: Big Ben Overdrive from Vox (sadly discontinued, but still available at many distributors), Tube King from Ibanez and some other, slightly more expensive. A tube-driven pedal might improve your tone. Not considerably, but you might like it more than now.
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The TS7 isn't digital. What have you been smoking?
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#7
I peaked at a schematic. Op amps, transistors, a few diodes. Nothing digital, best I could tell. But what do I know?
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Not quite. The TS9 is an analogue effect, while the TS7 (correctly DS7) is a digital distortion pedal, whose sound is miles away - in the wrong direction - from the fabulous TS9.
And I don't think our pal's question was how to add a cheap effect to a solid-state amp, but more like how to add a good overdrive, in order to improve a little the sound of a good solid-state, as the Cube.
Besides the Tube Screamer, you can buy a Lava Box from Seymour Duncan, and also some TUBE overdrive pedals, I mean real tube-driven pedals: Big Ben Overdrive from Vox (sadly discontinued, but still available at many distributors), Tube King from Ibanez and some other, slightly more expensive. A tube-driven pedal might improve your tone. Not considerably, but you might like it more than now.


The TS7 is not digital, and no, it's not "correctly" DS7. It's the Ibanez Tone-Lok TS7, and if you compare the two pedals' circuits, there is very little appreciable difference between them.

I've had tube driven pedals (Budda Phatman) and don't understand the fuss behind them. You might as well use a non-tube distortion pedal at the voltages they run.
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Not quite. The TS9 is an analogue effect, while the TS7 (correctly DS7) is a digital distortion pedal, whose sound is miles away - in the wrong direction - from the fabulous TS9.

do you know what digital is?
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The TS7 is not digital, and no, it's not "correctly" DS7. It's the Ibanez Tone-Lok TS7, and if you compare the two pedals' circuits, there is very little appreciable difference between them.

I've had tube driven pedals (Budda Phatman) and don't understand the fuss behind them. You might as well use a non-tube distortion pedal at the voltages they run.


I'm afraid the Tone-Lok has long gone from Ibanez's offer, perhaps replaced by the contemporary TS 808, who is slightly different from a TS9... only using better components.
There's no fuss about a tube pedal. I don't use one anymore, I did have a TwinTube from Seymour Duncan, but I gave it up after I bought a Lehle Parallel M, which allows me to use all sorts of effects, including digital, without altering my amp's tube tone (I'll review the device soon).
I only recomanded a tube pedal to our pal just to suggest him he might "soften" his tone a little, by using tubes straight out of its pickups, before entering the amp.
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do you know what digital is?


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you didn't answer my question
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The TS7 isn't digital. What have you been smoking?



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#14


Let's play "where's wally?" with the TS7 schematic.
First to spot a digital component wins a lollypop.

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you didn't answer my question


You're not quite an examiner, are you?
Have you dismantled the DS7? Where does the distortion come from? A chip, perhaps?
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You're not quite an examiner, are you?
Have you dismantled the DS7? Where does the distortion come from? A chip, perhaps?


You do realize there are analog chips, right? And that all of the clipping is from diodes chopping of the peak of the wave in the feedback loop of those chips, right?
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#17
Fellow cathbard, interpretation has made huge progress lately, but it still begins by reading. I wasn't talking about TS7, but about DS7.
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You're not quite an examiner, are you?
Have you dismantled the DS7? Where does the distortion come from? A chip, perhaps?

So every time you see a chip you think it's digital???? Are you serious?
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I've graduated a much better school than you, be sure of that!

Oh, that's real classy. If you're what come out of that school, then I want nothing to do with it. You "might" have gone to a better school, but he knows a shit ton more than you do, apparently. .

The TS7 is not digital. It's almost exactly the same circuit as the TS9, which is pretty much the exact same as the TS808.

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Not quite. The TS9 is an analogue effect, while the TS7 (correctly DS7) is a digital distortion pedal, whose sound is miles away - in the wrong direction - from the fabulous TS9.

If you're saying that the TS7 is the DS7, then you're talking about the TS7.
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#20
Quote by rv_phoenix
You're not quite an examiner, are you?
Have you dismantled the DS7? Where does the distortion come from? A chip, perhaps?


The distortion comes from an op amp. On a chip. An op amp whose input is a sinusoid and whose output is a distorted sinusoid.

If that ain't analog, I don't know what is.

(And since it's analog, it's not digital.)
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Why are you talking about something called a DS7 when he said TS7?
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You're not quite an examiner, are you?
Have you dismantled the DS7? Where does the distortion come from? A chip, perhaps?


Bringing up what school you graduated from has absolutely nothing to do with the components inside the Ibanez TS7.

And we are not talking about the DS7, we are talking about the TS7. It was the overdrive pedal I mentioned in my post. T. Even though it's discontinued, it can still be had from many online retailers.

There is a big difference between a transistor and a DSP.
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#23
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Fellow cathbard, interpretation has made huge progress lately, but it still begins by reading. I wasn't talking about TS7, but about DS7.

You said a TS7 was a DS7. Now you're just trying to wriggle out of it. You aint fooling nobody.
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Jeez Kyle, don't you know that analog and digital are the same thing? It's all a conspiracy, man!
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There is a big difference between a transistor and a DSP.


A processor is just a bunch of transistors.
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A processor is just a bunch of transistors.




But seriously - all chips are digital? Way to demonstrate a total lack of knowledge about electronics. I don't care what school you went to, you know shit.
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#27
See, folks, transistors make up pretty much every chip and application--digital or analog. It's all about how they are applied.

But I pinky promise, the TS7 is all analog.
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For the record, there are four in here with an EE background.
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#29
I'm looking at the DS7's schematic here, and I'm not sure if it has any digital components either: http://www.ibanez.com/parts/2004_PARTS/electronics/tonelok/circuit%20diagram/DS7-01.pdf

We've also gone a long way off the OP's original question, but I suppose it was already answered.
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I hope I'm in that number .

TS, in case you didn't see the answer and got distracted by the debate: You can use an OD on an SS amp; I used to run my board in front of my Flextone III, and it sounded good.

The Microcube is a far cry from the Flextone, but if you use it as standalone dirt on a clean channel instead of a signal boost, it could sound pretty good.

Hell, it might sound junky enough AS a boost to sound good. You know, that "bleeding-ears-but-it-sounds-so-hilariously-bad-it's-awesome" way. Like running 4 OD's into a Danelectro Honeytone.

Pretty sure that's how I fried my old one
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I'm looking at the DS7's schematic here, and I'm not sure if it has any digital components either: http://www.ibanez.com/parts/2004_PARTS/electronics/tonelok/circuit%20diagram/DS7-01.pdf

We've also gone a long way off the OP's original question, but I suppose it was already answered.



Just 4558's like a tubescreamer. Oh no, a 4458 is a chip so I guess that makes 'em digital.

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I've graduated from much better schools than you, I can guarantee that!

Irrelevant but still funny!
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#35
My schools are just so-so.
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Funny how that guy decided to disappear. I was half-expecting a big rant from him about how we're all wrong and how the school he graduated from makes him smarterer.
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#37
I have a ss practice amp. I boost the crunch and metal channels with a TS9 and the difference is extremely noticeable. It gives it a warmer (kinda), heavier tone. I turn the gain all the way down and turn up volume and tone. The tone knob especially makes a difference.
O, and how do you "graduate a school"? A sentence that contradicts itself... interesting.
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#40


Bravo and nicely played Gents, generally I stay away from the conflicts, but that poster (poseur?) is nothing but negative in all of his writings. To the point of correcting people on their own opinions?

I toast your debating skills, each and everyone