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Hello,

Currently in the UK cannabis is illegal and possession is a criminal offence. On the 27th of Feb the new Magistrates sentencing guidelines more or less will decriminalize small-time medical and recreational users, although only slightly. If you havent heard about this (which you probably haven't because of it being down-played as much as possible) then check the guidelines here:

http://sentencingcouncil.judiciary.gov.uk/docs/MCSG_Update_6_-_January_2012_%28web%29.pdf ( Scroll down to page/item 239 )

these guidelines finally acknowledge that people who are cannabis users (for whatever reason - medical, recreational, spiritual) or growers for personal use should not be made into criminals! Instead, it should encourage courts to go after actual organised crime that is making profit from this.

I personaly think that a regulated system like medical cannabis in california would be a great system but not JUST medically. But for everyone who obtains permission. This could pump over 6billion pounds into the economy each year (6-9billion estimated on two separate proposals). Also, people could benefit from the medical effects (That is - from things such as MS and Cancers to people with mild depression or stress)

So - My question is, do you think this is a step in the direction? What do you think of the current laws? And what do you think should be done with cannabis in the uk? And what your views on medical cannabis? ALSO... What do you ACTUALLY KNOW?(Not what you think you know...)

Thanks!
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Marijuana should be legal everywhere but it isn't because hungry corporations wouldn't be able to control it. It would sure help the economy, especially if they tax it.


But I don't wanna pay $50 for an eighth of medical, and I don't wanna be prosecuted for buying mersh.

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But I don't wanna pay $50 for an eighth of medical, and I don't wanna be prosecuted for buying mersh.



In the UK atm, 50$ would get roughly 2.1-2.5 for some people.
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Marijuana should be legal everywhere but it isn't because hungry corporations wouldn't be able to control it. It would sure help the economy, especially if they tax it.

Yeah, they couldn't be all corporationy and make money.
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I'm already on a two year warning so hell yes it needs reformed. If I get caught again in the next 2 years I get a criminal record and probably a fine. I only had like 0.2*g when I was caught as well.
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In the UK atm, 50$ would get roughly 2.1-2.5 for some people.


2.1 grams?

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#9
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Yeah, they couldn't be all corporationy and make money.


Hey, it's the same people that have said drug dealers would increase if pot was legalized, so what do you expect from them?
#10
All drugs should be legal. It is not the governments place to tell anyone what they can do with their own body.

Cannabis is illegal because it being banned helped to support the greedy textile industry in america back in the day.

And we have retards in the government who purposefully ignore science because they, apparently, have barely got the mental capacity to breathe.
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#11
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2.1 grams?



Oh yes- It really is that bad. I was paying 20 pounds for 1.4 grams and i was lucky if the skanky bastard actually stuck to his word. I speak to alot of people aroun the country throuh facebook and i was not the only one
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In the UK atm, 50$ would get roughly 2.1-2.5 for some people.


A lot of places in California now, $50 gets you 7 grams.



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Having never smoked weed I can't comment on the effects. However, I fail to see why alcohol is a legal drug when cannabis isn't. I assume, as with anything, the abuse of the substance will lead to problems but that controlled use would be ok.

I think legalization would be a profitable way to help the economy whilst at the same time taking money out of illegal hands.

I like the new sentencing guidelines but then again they do simply reflect what the police are already pretty much doing. I've not seen a single client (criminal law) who has been done for pos. with intent or of class B that hasn't been a too large an amount for recreational use or hasn't had at least 5 plants growing in the house.

Most of the time, if you have a small amount on you, then you will be let off with a caution or a warning.
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#14
Is a new thread on cannabis law reform needed?

So many similar threads full of people saying the same things.
#15
Pretty small step, but a step nonetheless.
The only downside is a potential drain on my Uni funding... but that's self control oriented.




Also, is it still class B or is it A now? The table below that seems to say class A cases still result in jail time anyway.
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Oh yes- It really is that bad. I was paying 20 pounds for 1.4 grams and i was lucky if the skanky bastard actually stuck to his word. I speak to alot of people aroun the country throuh facebook and i was not the only one

Wow man, I'm so sorry

We don't even deal with .1 of a gram, only half a gram. .5 of a gram is $5, 1 gram is $10, 3.5 is $30.. Usually you get more though because dealers just throw a bunch on and if it's like 3.7 they don't even bother to make it perfect, they'll just give you 3.7 for $30.
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#17
Prices clearly vary a lot. swim got 20g of top shit for £70 recently.
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Oh yes- It really is that bad. I was paying 20 pounds for 1.4 grams and i was lucky if the skanky bastard actually stuck to his word. I speak to alot of people aroun the country throuh facebook and i was not the only one


That's terrible. Around here it's $10=1g and most guyll take off 5 or add 5 as it goes up depending on if it's greenbud or not, and as you buy more it's cheaper. I know for a fact businesses will be making serious cash off that.
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#19
I stopped smoking. I honestly dont see why its illegal. Alcohol is legal and ****s you up way more. Ever drive high? You pay more attention than normal haha
It can be taxed. Government can make bank.
Yeah i wont get my 9g for $50 deal, but hey, at least i dont have to sit in my car in the dark
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Quote by Zoot Allures
All drugs should be legal. It is not the governments place to tell anyone what they can do with their own body.

That's not the only issue with drugs. What about the side effects of drug abuse on society?
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imo, make weed legal and with the same laws as smoking, and our economy will be alot better, and we will all be a little happier.
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Quote by Zoot Allures
All drugs should be legal. It is not the governments place to tell anyone what they can do with their own body.

I can't be sure, but this could be the first time I've agreed with you...

EDIT - or maybe not... I can't remember.
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#26
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and we will all be a little happier.


- Drugs = bad, regardless of anything else.
- God doesn't support drugs. You're going to hell, druggie.
- If you smoke weed, the terrorists win.
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That's not the only issue with drugs. What about the side effects of drug abuse on society?

You can't take the rights away from the members of society in order to 'help' society. People should have the right to use drugs if they wish.
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personally i think weed would be ruined if it were legalized completely. It would inevitably go the way of tobacco, with more additives and chemicals than the actual plant. 100% legal weed would probably either be grown hastily and shittily so large amounts could be produced cheaply, or be far too strong and expensive (personally i dont like one-hitter-quitters, i enjoy being high and the act of smoking. plus if its too strong its hard to find that sweet spot where you're just high enough). and because legalizing weed would basically take the growing of the plant away from the people and give it to large coorperations (you can still grow your own additive-free tobacco if you want to, but nobody does because it's far easier and cheaper to just buy a pack of cigs) i would forsee things such as carcinogens, tar, and addictive chemicals being added to it in the same way as cigarrettes, negating many of reasons people are fighting for its legalization.

I think possession should be completely decriminalized, while growing be decriminalized to about the point possession is at now. this would effectively make it legal, but keep its production out of the hands of "the man"

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#29
Quote by Zoot Allures
You can't take the rights away from the members of society in order to 'help' society. People should have the right to use drugs if they wish.

Oh so it's to give people the right to kill each other because they have the right to do that and governments shouldn't "help" people like you said?
Governments restrict people's right all the time to make it possible to live in a relatively peaceful society.
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Quote by velocigecko
personally i think weed would be ruined if it were legalized completely. It would inevitably go the way of tobacco, with more additives and chemicals than the actual plant. 100% legal weed would probably either be grown hastily and shittily so large amounts could be produced cheaply, or be far too strong and expensive (personally i dont like one-hitter-quitters, i enjoy being high and the act of smoking. plus if its too strong its hard to find that sweet spot where you're just high enough). and because legalizing weed would basically take the growing of the plant away from the people and give it to large coorperations (you can still grow your own additive-free tobacco if you want to, but nobody does because it's far easier and cheaper to just buy a pack of cigs) i would forsee things such as carcinogens, tar, and addictive chemicals being added to it in the same way as cigarrettes, negating many of reasons people are fighting for its legalization.

I think possession should be completely decriminalized, while growing be decriminalized to about the point possession is at now. this would effectively make it legal, but keep its production out of the hands of "the man"

You've clearly never been to Amsterdam.
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Oh so it's to give people the right to kill each other because they have the right to do that and governments shouldn't "help" people like you said?
Governments restrict people's right all the time to make it possible to live in a relatively peaceful society.


'cept killing people has a rather negative effect on many peoples lives. Cannabis has none, apart from the cost - but then anyone with a brain can mediate that cost, and it's no worse than alcohol or tobacco can be (cost wise, health wise alcohol and tobacco are massively worse for you and others).
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'cept killing people has a rather negative effect on many peoples lives. Cannabis has none, apart from the cost - but then anyone with a brain can mediate that cost, and it's no worse than alcohol or tobacco can be (cost wise, health wise alcohol and tobacco are massively worse for you and others).

Right killing people is too extreme compared to marijuana but he said that all drugs should be legal. And other hard drugs such as meth or heroine for sure have very negative impacts on families and other social structures.
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Quote by jgbsmith
You've clearly never been to Amsterdam.


i have not. but i would assume amsterdams govornment handles the issue FAR better than the american govornment would. im biased against my country's govornment though
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#34
Quote by Tangerineseeker
Right killing people is too extreme compared to marijuana but he said that all drugs should be legal. And other hard drugs such as meth or heroine for sure have very negative impacts on families and other social structures.


Alcohol and tobacco have very negative impacts on families and other social structures (alcohol being almost more dangerous to bystanders than it is to the user), and yet are entirely legal.
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Is a new thread on cannabis law reform needed?

So many similar threads full of people saying the same things.


There aren't many original threads on a board this old.


And yes, we need to reform drug laws. There is, I think, a growing level of support for it though. I think there's a starting to be a proper recognition of the alternatives in the mainstream media. But that might just be wishful thinking.
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Oh so it's to give people the right to kill each other because they have the right to do that and governments shouldn't "help" people like you said?
Governments restrict people's right all the time to make it possible to live in a relatively peaceful society.

Obviously not killing people -_-', i said the right to do what they want with their own bodies. The law should be in place to protect people from each other, not to protect people from themselves if they choose to take drugs.
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Quote by Todd Hart
Alcohol and tobacco have very negative impacts on families and other social structures (alcohol being almost more dangerous to bystanders than it is to the user), and yet are entirely legal.

Right and this can be seen as an example how legalized drugs that are harmful, not only hurt the users but also people around them.
So when he said that drugs should be legal because it only affects the consumer, it is wrong as it affects innocent people as well.
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I'm already on a two year warning so hell yes it needs reformed. If I get caught again in the next 2 years I get a criminal record and probably a fine. I only had like 0.2*g when I was caught as well.


That's like...no weed.

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#39
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Obviously not killing people -_-', i said the right to do what they want with their own bodies. The law should be in place to protect people from each other, not to protect people from themselves if they choose to take drugs.


Ok, I agree that people should have the right to do with their body what they want until the point where they start hurting people around them. In the case of marijuana I think this is not the case but with harder drugs this is the case. And in those cases I think it's right to let the government intervene and protect people from getting passively hurt.
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decriminalize small-time medical and recreational users

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medical and recreational users

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medical users


This is the best joke that the potheads always put forwards.

All I see in these ridiculous threads are a bunch of stoners saying: "I love weed and it makes me feel good and I'll never be addicted to it ever I promise so Y U IDIOTS ALWAYS TRYING TO BAN IT!?!?"


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