#1
so a few days ago i wrote this solo thing. i showed it to my friend and he called it a "tonal solo".

what are they? how can i utilize these when writing and jamming etc and apparently, since they have no key, where can they work while playing with others?
#2
Lol. Your friend doesn't know what he's talking about. Do you have a recording of your solo?0
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#3
he has no idea what he's talking about. he's just trying to sound intelligent.
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#4
This is what happens when Gungans attempt to discuss music theory.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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#6
"A tonal solo"

A + Tonal = Atonal.

Atonal is the word you're looking for.

Atonal.

You were doing either noise, wanking, feedback, or chromatic scales. Either that, or you somehow busted into some serialism and were using tone rows.

Unless you're doing it in some really jazzy/awesome way, when jamming everyone else will probably think you're a dick because you're just going to be making random noise/dissonance over their progressions.
Last edited by Life Is Brutal at Feb 10, 2012,
#7
^^^ if you were jamming with other people, chances are that whatever you're playing would be explained through scales and accidentals.
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#8
see, i have almost no knowledge of theory, so i really have no clue what i was doing. when i was writing, i was just doing shit that sounded all cool and shit.

then when it came to playing with a piano, i couldnt find one place where it sounded good with anything they were playing.

here's a tab. i dont know how to do format it properly, but here it is:
~~~~~~
|--3--| |--3--| |--3--| |--3--| |--3--| |--3--|
E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E H
||--19-15-------------------------------|-------------------------|
||o-------17----17----------------------|-------------------------|
||-----------16----16----16-------------|-------------------------|
||--------------------17----17-14-17-14-|----14-------------------|
||o-------------------------------------|-14----14----14----------|
||--------------------------------------|----------15----15-12----|


~~~~ ~~
|--3--| |--3--| |--3--| |--3--| |--3--|
Q E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E H
|--------------------------------|-------------------17-----||
|--------------------------------|----------17----17-------o||
|-----------------------14----14-|-17-14-17----17-----------||
|-----10----10-14-10-14----14----|--------------------------||
|-12-----12----------------------|-------------------------o||
|--------------------------------|--------------------------||
#9
bump. so yeah thats what i wrote. so how can i use that in anything with other instruments and shit etc etc questions and stuff.
Last edited by Spaztikko at Feb 10, 2012,
#10
I'm going with Life is Brutal's reply but agreeing with Alan.

If by tonal your friend means it resolves to a fixed point, AKA the I or i chord (depending if it's Major or Minor), I believe all scales resolve, that's why they are such a common formula in Western Music.

Your friend is ethier a dumbass, or a dumbass trying to fool someone.

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#11
so if he's a dumbass then like, what is it then? (yes, im a dumbass too).

the thing is, im really here wondering how i can fit this over stuff.

basic situation, if a piano is playing in a certain key, which does that sound good over?
#12
well the part you tabbed out there is an E minor arpeggio followed by an A minor arpegggio.

The obvious thing is to play those chords along with the arpeggios, but it would work with really anything in the keys of either of those chords.
#13
Quote by Spaztikko
see, i have almost no knowledge of theory, so i really have no clue what i was doing. when i was writing, i was just doing shit that sounded all cool and shit.

then when it came to playing with a piano, i couldnt find one place where it sounded good with anything they were playing.

here's a tab. i dont know how to do format it properly, but here it is:
~~~~~~
|--3--| |--3--| |--3--| |--3--| |--3--| |--3--|
E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E H
||--19-15-------------------------------|-------------------------|
||o-------17----17----------------------|-------------------------|
||-----------16----16----16-------------|-------------------------|
||--------------------17----17-14-17-14-|----14-------------------|
||o-------------------------------------|-14----14----14----------|
||--------------------------------------|----------15----15-12----|


~~~~ ~~
|--3--| |--3--| |--3--| |--3--| |--3--|
Q E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E H
|--------------------------------|-------------------17-----||
|--------------------------------|----------17----17-------o||
|-----------------------14----14-|-17-14-17----17-----------||
|-----10----10-14-10-14----14----|--------------------------||
|-12-----12----------------------|-------------------------o||
|--------------------------------|--------------------------||


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAsbozJORxU

0:55 - 1:01
#14
Quote by bouttimeijoined
well the part you tabbed out there is an E minor arpeggio followed by an A minor arpegggio.

The obvious thing is to play those chords along with the arpeggios, but it would work with really anything in the keys of either of those chords.


I agree.

The most obvious chord progression behind it would be E minor - A minor, but the key is debatable at this point.
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#18
Quote by Spaztikko
hey man can i ask why the key is debatable?

Well, in an endless 2 chord vamp, I suppose the key would be the chord you end on when you get tired or bored or both.

Either that, and this is debatable also, if you're playing an F# I suppose you could call it E minor. If you're playing F natural, most likely it could be called A minor.
#19
Quote by Spaztikko
hey man can i ask why the key is debatable?


An E minor chord is diatonic to the key of A minor. An A minor chord is diatonic to the key of E minor. As there's only those two chords and nothing else in your riff, it could go anywhere.

However if you either employ another chord (which you probably will), or emphasise one more than the other, it'll become more obvious as to what the key is.
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