#1
Hi all, I was wondering what makes the difference between the SE 245 and the SE singlecut and if it's worth the extra £100 for it. Also what's the difference between these and the SE custom 24.
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#2
I don't want to be a dick, but have you done any research at all? A quick google can bring up the spec sheets for all 3 guitars.
Anyway, from what I can tell, the 245 has independent volume and tone controls for each pickup, a differently located selector switch and a 24 1/2 inch scale length, compared to the master vol/tone on the singlecut, which also has a 25 inch scale length.
The custom 24 is a totally different beast again. Doublecut body, trem, 24 frets. Controls are the same as the singlecut. You can find all the specs here
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#3
Sorry, I don't think my original question was detailed enough. (reading it back i understand where you're coming from)

The 245 says it has a 'Thick mahogany' body whereas the single cut just says 'mahogany' body. I was hoping someone could clarify how much thicker it is and how this affects the tone.

Also the 245 is speced as having 'SE 245 treble and bass humbuckers' and the single cut just says 'SE treble and bass humbuckers'. What is the difference between these?

Then there's the the scale legnth, what difference is there between a 24.5" and a 25"?

Then between those models and the Custom, is there a huge difference between the wide fat and the wide thin necks? (I realise I need to play them and judge them myself but I'm just looking for a rough guide)

And again, what is the sound difference between the custom, the 245 and the single cut?

Hope this clears up my question
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#4
haven't tried them, but i'm guessing the 245 is more "vintage" all-round (as that was more or less the aim of it). so, thicker neck, lower output pickups, shorter scale length, etc.
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#5
What effect does a shorter scale legnth have? I assume less sting tension due to less distance between the bridge and nut?
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What effect does a shorter scale legnth have? I assume less string tension due to less distance between the bridge and nut?


Yup. Also the neck pickup is further from the bridge making it nice and warm.
#7
^ wouldn't that have the opposite effect? not sure it really affects the tone of the neck pickup since it's going to be all relative, anyway.

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What effect does a shorter scale legnth have? I assume less sting tension due to less distance between the bridge and nut?


yeah

possibly a slightly warmer, less snappy tone
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^ wouldn't that have the opposite effect? not sure it really affects the tone of the neck pickup since it's going to be all relative, anyway


i dunno the logistics of it all, I just know the same neck pup in my 24.75 guitar is alot warmer then in my 25.5. Same pots/cap/ everything down to the wire I used.
#9
how many frets?
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#10
22 vs 24.
22 (24.75) neck pup (closest edge to bridge) is approx 13cm whereas as the 25.5 scale 24 fret is dead on 12cm.

Oops, edit:
Distance from nearest edge of pup to avg saddle contact point.
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#11
My 245 is LP thick and the pups are a bit more "air-y". I quite like the scale length, much like a les paul and.......controls.....pup selector is at the top........and that's about it?
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#12
Wide fat and wide thin are very different. Wide fat is Gibson-esque wile wide thin is closer to a strat neck profile.
#13
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My 245 is LP thick and the pups are a bit more "air-y". I quite like the scale length, much like a les paul and.......controls.....pup selector is at the top........and that's about it?


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Wide fat and wide thin are very different. Wide fat is Gibson-esque wile wide thin is closer to a strat neck profile.


Ok thanks guys I guess I'll just have to go and try them out for myself
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#14
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Ok thanks guys I guess I'll just have to go and try them out for myself


always a good strategy

I've been playing 25" scale length PRS for a while...got a Ted McCarty SC 245 (24.5" scale length) and have fallen in love with that scale length. Just a personal preference, though not a deal breaker.
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22 vs 24.
22 (24.75) neck pup (closest edge to bridge) is approx 13cm whereas as the 25.5 scale 24 fret is dead on 12cm.

Oops, edit:
Distance from nearest edge of pup to avg saddle contact point.


if your 24.75"guitar only has 22 frets, and the neck pickup tight up against the edge of the neck, while your 25.5" guitar has 24, that's what's causing the difference in tone of the neck pickup, not the scale length.
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#16
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Wide fat and wide thin are very different. Wide fat is Gibson-esque wile wide thin is closer to a strat neck profile.
Actually the wide-fat is closer to a Strat and wide-thin is pretty much eactly the ESP 'thin U' profile. PRS' website lists the exact measurments of the different neck profiles. A proper thick Gibson or old school Tele neck is much thicker than the 'wide fat' neck PRS use. In fact even the 'wide' part is a lie, that's what they call 1 11/16" wide nuts, which are actually pretty much the standard width for every other brand.
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