#1
Is Squier to Fender is what Epiphone is to Gibson?

Are there other well known names with sub companies making some quality guitars at lower prices.
There was a time I didn't know Epiphone was a Gibson deal. And thought Squier was a name of guitar like stratocaster, etc. What a noob I am.

A lot of people throw around names but it is hard to keep straight sometimes with exception of above.
#3
Squier is basically Fender's version of Epiphone, yeah.
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#4
Yes.

Olp are cheap Music Man.
Ltd is a cheap Esp

Cant think of more....
More obvious ones are Ibanez gio, Prs se, Gibson Melody Maker...
#9
pretty much

but yeah, as meticadpa says, the older japanese-made squiers are (presumably, i haven't tried them) more like today's japanese fenders.

also epiphone has, on occasion, had japanese-made guitars which are also of higher quality (again, allegedly, haven't tried those either, but i've tried enough japanese-made guitars to know they're probably pretty sweet).
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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#10
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pretty much

but yeah, as meticadpa says, the older japanese-made squiers are (presumably, i haven't tried them) more like today's japanese fenders.

also epiphone has, on occasion, had japanese-made guitars which are also of higher quality (again, allegedly, haven't tried those either, but i've tried enough japanese-made guitars to know they're probably pretty sweet).

Yeah, they're pretty good. I've played a couple of them and one Japanese Fender. The Japanese Fender is pretty much the best playing guitar I've ever played so I think it'd be unfair to compare them to that... but they're definitely on par with my other, older MIJ guitars (like my Rocket Roll II).

Edit: haven't tried any MIJ Epiphone guitars either, but from all accounts they're pretty good. I honestly think Japanese craftsmanship can rival US. I've got a 1974 Les Paul copy with a bolt-on neck and it's glorious. Plays and sounds amazing. Has hollow body chambers in it too so it's light and sounds really resonant. Picked it up for £75.
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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#12
Actually other companies do this as well.

Douglas < Agile
Gio < Ibanez
LTD < ESP
SX < Suhr
Davison < Kona


If you want to get specific its

Starcaster < Squier < Fender
Maestro/Baldwin < Epiphone < Gibson
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#13
Pretty much what has been said. Squiers aren't bad, but generally the models to stay away from are the Squier Bullets and Affinity series, unless you happen to find a particularly good one. I'd also point out that at the Squier price range you will find a few different guitars of the same model that may play completely different, so they are definitely hit or miss.

Oh and one correction from the list above, OLP WAS the budget brand Music Man guitars. They're now sold as Sterling instead of OLP
#14
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Oh and one correction from the list above, OLP WAS the budget brand Music Man guitars. They're now sold as Sterling instead of OLP


Oh, good to know.
#15
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Yes.

Sterling by Musicmans are cheap Ernie Ball Music Man's.
Ltd is a cheap Esp

Cant think of more....
More obvious ones are Ibanez gio, Prs se, Gibson Melody Maker...

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#16
For those interested in japanese epiphones, I used to own one. While I was studying over there they releases a limited run of MIJ epiphones made in the same factory as MIJ fender. They're all lacquer-finished (as opposed to polyurethane) and if you scour ebay, you might find them for as little as $400 if the seller doesn't know what he has.

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#17
Seems like starcaster<squier<mim fender<mia fender and
maestro<epiphone<jr/melody maker<gibson
Would be a better comparison, me thinks?
Epiphone Les Paul Studio w/ P90s
Epiphone Wilshire Pro Reissue w/ Pearly Gates Pickups
JCA2212c
Vox Night Train
Raven 1x12
Digitech Whammy
TC Electronic Polyphonic Tuner
Earthquaker Devices The Hoof Fuzz
Carbon Copy
BYOC BBO
TC Arena Reverb
#18
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Seems like starcaster<squier<mim fender<mia fender and
maestro<epiphone<jr/melody maker<gibson
Would be a better comparison, me thinks?


Yessssir!

But the Starcasters and Maestros are the ones that you get at Wal-Mart/Target.

Going back to another thread, those technically aren't guitars because they aren't made in the US and they don't have a flame top.
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#19
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Yessssir!

But the Starcasters and Maestros are the ones that you get at Wal-Mart/Target.

Going back to another thread, those technically aren't guitars because they aren't made in the US and they don't have a flame top.

What? Where is this thread? That sounds absolutely hilarious.
Epiphone Les Paul Studio w/ P90s
Epiphone Wilshire Pro Reissue w/ Pearly Gates Pickups
JCA2212c
Vox Night Train
Raven 1x12
Digitech Whammy
TC Electronic Polyphonic Tuner
Earthquaker Devices The Hoof Fuzz
Carbon Copy
BYOC BBO
TC Arena Reverb
#20
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SX < Suhr




don't think so, it's rasmus with suhr
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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Presumably because the CCF (Combined Corksniffing Forces) of MLP and Gibson forums would rise up against them, plunging the land into war.

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#21
Quote by jjbarnes
Seems like starcaster<squier<mim fender<mia fender and
maestro<epiphone<jr/melody maker<gibson
Would be a better comparison, me thinks?


I would pretty much agree with this unless you really want to break it down into even more detail.

I think the maestro/baldwins are just a little better than starcasters, but not as nice as some squiers, of which there are many different models with various quality ....... oh hell, I'm not going there

BUT..... I would go so far as to say the MIM Fenders are probably closer to the upper end Epiphones as far as the heirarchy goes
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I would pretty much agree with this unless you really want to break it down into even more detail.

I think the maestro/baldwins are just a little better than starcasters, but not as nice as some squiers, of which there are many different models with various quality ....... oh hell, I'm not going there

BUT..... I would go so far as to say the MIM Fenders are probably closer to the upper end Epiphones as far as the heirarchy goes

That's true, although some of the pickups in those mims sound waaaay better than the electronics in most epiphones. period.
Epiphone Les Paul Studio w/ P90s
Epiphone Wilshire Pro Reissue w/ Pearly Gates Pickups
JCA2212c
Vox Night Train
Raven 1x12
Digitech Whammy
TC Electronic Polyphonic Tuner
Earthquaker Devices The Hoof Fuzz
Carbon Copy
BYOC BBO
TC Arena Reverb