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#1
What are nice amps for blues somewhere around that $400 price range?
Yeah, I know the Blues Jr., what else?
#2
Roland Blues Cube comes to mind, or a SF Champ/Princeton. Both discontinued
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#3
Discontinued doesn't mean shit. That just means it's not being made. It's probably still being sold. If not new, then at least used. Hit up Musician's Friend, World Music Supply, Amazon, and Ebay.
#4
Fender's coming out with the Excelsior. 13 watts, 15 inch speaker.

I'd look at a used Peavey Classic 30, Jet City Amps JCA20, Blackheart Handsome Devil, Epiphone Valve Senior, and the Bugera V22.
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Why does it have to be at least 30w? You're severely limiting your options. A lot of amps don't start to become more than 30w until $500 and up.

There's the Bugera V55, and you might get lucky with a Jet City JCA50 combo popping up below 500, but beyond those and the Classic 30 (and the discontinued Crate V series amps) I don't really see much else for you.
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Why does it have to be at least 30w? You're severely limiting your options. A lot of amps don't start to become more than 30w until $500 and up.

There's the Bugera V55, and you might get lucky with a Jet City JCA50 combo popping up below 500, but beyond those and the Classic 30 (and the discontinued Crate V series amps) I don't really see much else for you.

well I don't think 15 will be loud enough for me to gig with, unmic'd, and I know 30 will do the job.
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well I don't think 15 will be loud enough for me to gig with, unmic'd, and I know 30 will do the job.


i am assuming by that statement you don't have a house PA where you play?

if they have a PA, mic the amp, it wouldn't matter if it was 5 watts it would do the job.

if they don't have a PA, IMO the wattage isn't limiting you but the area of projection. one 12" speaker can only do so much. i won't gig without a pa without a 2x12". you could also get an extension cab and run it a little farther over on the stage.

i have my 18W 1974x i built, its 18 watts, it is really too loud for even a small to medium sized gigs unless you have an excessively heavy drummer (to loud meaning it is master up to maybe 70% literally will rattle things all around it). also you don't have any clean there.

/my $.02
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this is as far as mic'ing amps goes, i saw a blues guitarist at a festival (not extremely widely known), and i can't remember his name of course now that i am thinking about it) mic'ing up a tweed champ. yea 5 watts. likely a 5F1 Fender circuit. awesome tone though. i remember this guy and thinking how great he sounded just with that tiny champ mic'd right.

this festival easily had a few thousand people, and was three days long, i went for one day, Johnny Lang closed that night, i had wanted to see him for a long time, good show.
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#10
Traynor maybe?
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#11
There's really not much difference between 15w and 30w volume-wise. The 30w will stay a bit cleaner, sure, but they're going to be similarly loud as balls.
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#12
Marshall Major

Really, though, I would say talk to Cathbard about one of his amps. If he can't make you something in your price range, maybe you could get one used. I have no idea what the 18w Marshalls go for used, though. Hell, if you're any good with building amps, you might be able to make your own.
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There's really not much difference between 15w and 30w volume-wise. The 30w will stay a bit cleaner, sure, but they're going to be similarly loud as balls.

Yeah 30W tube has enough headroom, 15W is not enough.
#14
Oh come on. A bluesman needs headroom like a porn star needs a baby.
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Oh come on. A bluesman needs headroom like a porn star needs a baby.

Hahaha great analogy, I know what you mean.
But I play a lot of clean blues, and any OD that I use I just kick a Bad Monkey.

However, going along with your 15W debate, what 15W tube amps are there that fit my needs?
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The Bugera V22 has a clean channel. So does the Jet City JCA22. Both of them are 20 watts or so.

Most of these amps can do clean cleans as long as they have a master volume, anyway. Just set the preamp gain low and crank the volume.

Also on the Bad Monkey, truly an underrated pedal for dirt.
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#18
epiphone blues 212 custom. find one used.

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The Bugera V22 has a clean channel. So does the Jet City JCA22. Both of them are 20 watts or so.

Most of these amps can do clean cleans as long as they have a master volume, anyway. Just set the preamp gain low and crank the volume.

Also on the Bad Monkey, truly an underrated pedal for dirt.

and the v22 has an extremely awesome clean channel. creamy and twangy at the same time (though that may be because all i have are telecaster voiced pups), the dirt is too muddy for my taste, but the clean channel is where its at.
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#19
Peavey Valveking. it has a really nice clean channel and the dirt channel does a good overdriven blues sound. i had a Crate V32 but found the VK to be a better amp for what i wanted. 50 watts plenty of headroom.
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The Bugera V22 has a clean channel. So does the Jet City JCA22. Both of them are 20 watts or so.

Most of these amps can do clean cleans as long as they have a master volume, anyway. Just set the preamp gain low and crank the volume.

Also on the Bad Monkey, truly an underrated pedal for dirt.

The Bad Monkey is great. The Bugera v22 has great cleans but I still feel like 30W is a necessity, because I need to be heard during practice over a loud drummer and bass.

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Laney Cub or Blackheart Handsome Devil?

Both gorgeous amps but I doubt will be loud enough to gig with or practice with a full band unmic'd.


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and the v22 has an extremely awesome clean channel. creamy and twangy at the same time (though that may be because all i have are telecaster voiced pups), the dirt is too muddy for my taste, but the clean channel is where its at.


The blues custom is nice, but if I'm going used for that price I'd rather pick up a Peavey Classic 30.

I'm looking for a Fender-y/Two Rock/Mayer clean and I've seen the Peavey demoed to reach similar tones, can't find any clips of any other amps in this thread that can say they can do the same.


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Peavey Valveking. it has a really nice clean channel and the dirt channel does a good overdriven blues sound. i had a Crate V32 but found the VK to be a better amp for what i wanted. 50 watts plenty of headroom.

Sweet looking amp, can it hit Mayer-ish Fendery cleans though?
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The Bad Monkey is great. The Bugera v22 has great cleans but I still feel like 30W is a necessity, because I need to be heard during practice over a loud drummer and bass.




I doubt very seriously that, all other things being equal, you can tell the difference in volume between a v22 and (insert 30w amp here)...

You're setting a restriction that only exists in your mind. Since you're paying the bill, that's your right, but let's not pretend there's some rational reason for it.
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I doubt very seriously that, all other things being equal, you can tell the difference in volume between a v22 and (insert 30w amp here)...

You're setting a restriction that only exists in your mind. Since you're paying the bill, that's your right, but let's not pretend there's some rational reason for it.

It's not about whether or not I can hear myself playing in a band setting.
I can hear myself because I'm right next to my amp.
What about the other band members who need to be able to hear me?
I've tried many amps in my practice area and through experience I know that a 30W SS amp can barely cut it. That's why I know if i get at least 30W tube, it'll be perfect to gig with at certain venues and practice will be no problem.
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It's not about whether or not I can hear myself playing in a band setting.
I can hear myself because I'm right next to my amp.
What about the other band members who need to be able to hear me?
I've tried many amps in my practice area and through experience I know that a 30W SS amp can barely cut it. That's why I know if i get at least 30W tube, it'll be perfect to gig with at certain venues and practice will be no problem.


Neither you, nor anyone else, can hear the volume difference between 22 watts and 30 watts.

Some research is in order.
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Neither you, nor anyone else, can hear the volume difference between 22 watts and 30 watts.

Some research is in order.


So you're saying if I picked up the Bugera v22, I wouldn't be losing sound compared to the 30W SS I'm using at practice right now?
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So you're saying if I picked up the Bugera v22, I wouldn't be losing sound compared to the 30W SS I'm using at practice right now?


Absolutely not.
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Absolutely not.

Would I be stepping up in sound from a 30W SS?
And would I have enough headroom to be heard clean over a loud drummer and moderate bass?
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Would I be stepping up in sound from a 30W SS?
And would I have enough headroom to be heard clean over a loud drummer and moderate bass?


Yes, significantly.

Yes. (Well, 'loud' drummer is subjective, but.....yes...)
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#29
22 watts tube is definitely significantly louder than 30 watts solid state.
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Hearing reliability issues about the Bugera v22, also, I'm kinda planning for this amp purchase to be the end of my amp purchases for a long time, which is why I was thinking of 30W because I feel like that's a comfortable zone where it can handle anything I throw at it, unmic'd gigs, mic'd gigs for sure, practices, recordings, etc. Will a v22 handle all of these things? I wanna be able to play at practice not on full volume like I do on the current 30W SS, and when I go to shows I know I still have some volume left on my amp when I need it.
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Hearing reliability issues about the Bugera v22, also, I'm kinda planning for this amp purchase to be the end of my amp purchases for a long time, which is why I was thinking of 30W because I feel like that's a comfortable zone where it can handle anything I throw at it, unmic'd gigs, mic'd gigs for sure, practices, recordings, etc. Will a v22 handle all of these things? I wanna be able to play at practice not on full volume like I do on the current 30W SS, and when I go to shows I know I still have some volume left on my amp when I need it.


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#32
A 15w tube amp is going to be louder than a 30w SS amp.

Tube amps are LOUD. Wattage plays a role, but it's not a drastic difference. 30 watts is not twice as loud as 15.

To be twice as loud as 15 watts you'd need to have a 150w amplifier, and even then, volume is not a constant, nor is it necessarily determinable. There are 50w amplifiers that can be louder than 100w amps.

I've played with my friend's Blues Junior and compared it against my Valveking. One of the major differences was with clean headroom. Sure, I had more volume to spare, but both got loud enough to hear in a band situation and more.
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So that one of us can check Craigslist and see if there's anything worth buying in your price range, probably.
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#35
To put your mind at ease, I can actually get a pretty clean sound that's loud enough to play with a drummer on my Vox AC15. It's only 15 watts. A 22 watt amp will have enough headroom. To be fair, I am using a Strat with standard lower output single coils.
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Well now that the wattage situation has been sorted out, will a Bugera v22 get the sounds I want?


Only you can make that call for sure, but I'd say yes.
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#38
plenty of used stuff man, just look around.

fender 13 watt with a 15 incher? i like!!!! i would rather have a 2x12, but for home use in a small amp i think a bigger speaker would help the tone in a smaller amp. people got it backwards, little amps NEEDS the bottom end and presence, not small speakers.

if anything i would like to try a higher wattage setup with 10s!!!! i would like to test out the punch and focus of 10 inch speakers.
#39
The Valveking has a very nice clean channel. Mayer clean well it will do the job but it's not a Two-Rock. unless you want to spend big bucks on an amp with perfect cleans it should do the trick within reason. certainly as good or better as the Crate V32. at 50 watts it will have plenty of clean headroom. the stock speaker isn't the best so a speaker change will benifit the sound. as far as rock and blues sounds it really is a decent choice especially for the money.
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^What about the Bugera for Mayerish tones?

Just wanna get in the ballpark, doesn't need to be SUPER close. Just similar.
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