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#1
am Skeptic about takin lessons with him, after some research ive gotten some Mixed Reviews about Tom Hess but not enough to sway my decision either way, so I dunno


atm I like my lessons at Jamplay.com n i've also started taking lessons with one of my old guitar teachers I used to learn from

any way Jam play i get lessns 19.99$ a month
Guitar teacher - 25 $ a week

Tom Hess lessons 55$,once a week or every two weeks

I kno in some cases u get what u pay for but i dunno, Has anyone here Tried his lessons?
"its not the destination.... so much as the journey" one once said
Last edited by Marqway at Feb 17, 2012,
#2
Honestly, probably not.

If you have the ability to learn on your own, I would go that route.

What are your goals as a guitarist?
#3
I find that most people could get equal results with self teaching if they put in more effort and had the drive. I've also seen some people use lesson times as basically practice, which is worthless IMO, although I've seen it mainly for Piano/Violin.
#4
Quote by ibz120
Honestly, probably not.

If you have the ability to learn on your own, I would go that route.

What are your goals as a guitarist?


well for now i want to get better at improvising in the styles of instrumental rock /blues/metal/fusion

n work on my rythym skills a bit
"its not the destination.... so much as the journey" one once said
#5
What worked for me was to just find songs I liked in different genres, learn them by ear (don't overlook learning stuff by ear... one of the most beneficial things you can do), and find things in those songs that you really like.

Then you look at those parts theory wise, and apply them to your own music.
#6
No they are not, do not let his marketing and lies make you insecure, there are better teachers out there who charge less

If you are a Buckethead fan you could even take lesssons from his teacher for less than that.
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#7
I really don't think any form of online or distance lesson can replicate actually having a one on one lesson with a guitar teacher.

As much as Tom Hess's lessons are supposed to be tailored to each individual, a teacher would be able to see your strengths and weaknesses directly and guide you from there.
#8
Quote by Slashiepie


If you are a Buckethead fan you could even take lesssons from his teacher for less than that.


Paul Gilbert ?
#11
Quote by mrbabo91
Paul Gilbert ?


hhh Paul wasn't really his teacher :P
it was Pebber Brown.
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#12
Quote by Slashiepie
hhh Paul wasn't really his teacher :P
it was Pebber Brown.


Was he pauls student at any point ?
#14
Don't know a thing about Tom Hess specifically.

However, if you're paying $55 for a weekly lesson, you probably don't need to be taking an online lesson. And online lessons may have value, but I'd rather have an instructor in person 90% of the time, even if the instructor wasn't quite as good a teacher.

Secondly, on his website he writes this:

However, because I want to keep the standard of quality very high (especially on my exclusive forum), I choose to work only with people who are serious about the things they do, and dedicated to the process of learning, training and achieving their music-related goals.


I think it's unlikely that he's ever turned away a student. This is internet marketing 101: "I'm not going to sell this to just anyone ... only to the special people. Do you have what it takes to earn the seal of approval of being taught by me? Pay me to find out." It's a straightforward technique to up his own value. It's creates the illusion of scarcity.

Now, don't get me wrong. Most good teachers will say something to the effect of, "We need to figure out if we're a good fit for each other. You need a teacher you click with and I need students I can teach."

But the reality is if this guy was such an amazing guitar teacher, he wouldn't need to be working so hard to get students.

I see a ton of marginally-sleazy internet marketing on that site. "Sign up for my free ebook." Internet marketing 101 - get people to invest in your free products, and they'll be more willing to pay for you expensive ones. Notice how you have to dig pretty far in order to get a price on some of his services (if you've clicked a few times and feel like you're getting personalized info, you're more likely to keep clicking).

And jeebus, the guy is charging $250 a lesson for an online private lesson? Are you freakin' kidding me.

Third, and this is important:

There is a lot of value in the concept of a "master class" - a class for students who have already achieved a degree of mastery over the instrument, who know all their techniques and fundamentals and are working are a near-professional level but want to take their work up an notch. I have no idea if Tom Hess is well-qualified for that or not.

But for the *vast* majority of people considering taking lessons, master classes are a waste of time, and pretty much any teacher you like, who knows his stuff, and who works in your genre is going to be just fine. Getting the more expensive "master teacher" is a waste of your money because the master teacher's advantage is that he is capable of teaching things that you aren't yet ready to learn.

There is tremendous value in some online lessons. Jamplay gives you a wealth of material for your $20/month, for example.

So I see about a thousand reasons to stay away from him even if he actually turns out to be a significantly above-average teacher.
#15
Id recommend finding the best local guitar teacher you can for one on one lessons, if youve got the money burning a hole in your pocket.

You only think Tom Hess is so awesome because he wants you to think he is awesome. And he is awesome - at marketing. If you wanna learn how to be a businessman, get lessons from Tom. If you wanna learn how to play guitar, you can find better and probably for considerably cheaper.

And he probably wouldn't come across as an insufferable obnoxious prick aswell, which is a bonus. Pebber Brown, who someone mentioned I think, does come across as arrogant, but in an endearing, honest and hopefully encouraging way. I like his videos, which are freely avalialbe youtube (contrast that with Mr Hess, who only has adverts and teasers for his premium content freely available). Kinda like my old guitar teacher, was a bit of a weird guy but he was hard on you because he wanted you to do well and didn't want you to waste anyone's time.

I couldn't say that all internet lessons would be a waste, but I personally would not want to add to the Hessian Empire, and I believe that face to face lessons, supplemented with the wealth of information to be found for free on the internet, are the best way to learn. If I had to send money to some guy for some emails and the occasional Skype lesson, It'd have to be someone I found to be likeable and honest.

Also, searchbar - Ive read through many versions of this very same thread. Normally one of his disciples turns up to defend him at some point, which is usually fun.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/search.php?searchid=8991423
But boys will be boys and girls have those eyes
that'll cut you to ribbons, sometimes
and all you can do is just wait by the moon
and bleed if it's what she says you ought to do
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#16
Quote by mrbabo91
Was he pauls student at any point ?


I dont know for sure and not many people do because BH is a really reserved guy.

As far as i know he did indeed met him and supposedly worked on some 3nps stuff with him. (just what ive heard/read).
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#17
Quote by Hydra150


And he probably wouldn't come across as an insufferable obnoxious prick aswell, which is a bonus. Pebber Brown, who someone mentioned I think, does come across as arrogant, but in an endearing, honest and hopefully encouraging way. I like his videos, which are freely avalialbe youtube (contrast that with Mr Hess, who only has adverts and teasers for his premium content freely available). Kinda like my old guitar teacher, was a bit of a weird guy but he was hard on you because he wanted you to do well and didn't want you to waste anyone's time.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/search.php?searchid=8991423


Pebber is a badass <3
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#18
Didn't buckethead attend MI while Mr Gilbert was a tutor there? Speaking of overpriced guitar lessons, Mr Gilbert offers lessons (and signs instruments etc) to dudes that come see him on tour for like hundreds of dollars. Doesnt really seem right to me (I met one of my guitar heroes and got my guitar signed by just waiting around in the venue till everyone else had gone home) but there are a lot of kids with rich parents and the man gotta make a living.
But boys will be boys and girls have those eyes
that'll cut you to ribbons, sometimes
and all you can do is just wait by the moon
and bleed if it's what she says you ought to do
#20
Quote by AlanHB
^^^ Paul Gilbert signed my guitar for free...


There used to be section on his website where you could buy special tickets for his gigs that cost a ton more and included a meet of the band and lesson and you got to watch the sound check I think. Seems weird to pay to shake someones hand and have him sign something, and a one off lesson (even if with someone awesome like Gilbert) wouldn't be worth much as the teacher doesn't know you.

I got my Strat signed by Steve Cropper, and would love (and perhaps even pay extra coz I'm a hypocrite) to meet BB King - I even took my guitar's scratchplate down to London when I went to see him at the Albert Hall, just in case I bumped into him on the street. No such luck.
But boys will be boys and girls have those eyes
that'll cut you to ribbons, sometimes
and all you can do is just wait by the moon
and bleed if it's what she says you ought to do
#22
Thanx Guys , I knew somethin was up, Ill stick to Jamplay and i have a personal guitar teacher who i go to every week for 25$

also

pepper brown does lessons, Online? (am big fan of buckethead) if he has a online lesson site link me
"its not the destination.... so much as the journey" one once said
#23
Just search his name on youtube. He has a ton of videos, some of which are very long. Im not sure if he does skype lessons (he might do) but Im fairly sure he offers personal correspondence, video critique and stuff (I think he mentioned in one of his videos a tuition programme/method for his advanced students (inc buckethead)) with people who pay on his website. Check out his website to see what the deal is; http://www.pbguitarstudio.com/

He seems like a cool guy - not a bullshitter, brutallty honest and an experienced teacher. He's the type to go for if thats the type of guy that keeps you motivated to practice (you may benefit more from a softer approach with a more forgiving teacher, we all learn best in different ways).

Edit: "$ 60.00 per month
(you get any combination of up to 3 video lessons or real time Skype lessons
Plus - email and telephone help, consultation & support) ..." or "Skype or Vokle online exclusive REAL TIME lessons $ 25/40/60.00 per lesson ..."

Take full advantage of his library of free online lessons before forking over any money, he'll likely just tell you what he tells students on youtube unless you already know all that stuff.
But boys will be boys and girls have those eyes
that'll cut you to ribbons, sometimes
and all you can do is just wait by the moon
and bleed if it's what she says you ought to do
Last edited by Hydra150 at Feb 19, 2012,
#24
Quote by griffRG7321
I'm just waiting for Sean to get here.


When I saw it, my first instinct was to hit my forehead groan, and not look at this topic. It made my eyes burn but it wouldn't go away.



So, now with all that said, I could take my lengthly posts and debates with Hessians from the past, and I realize now, quite wisely I think, that I could simply condense my overall summary into 3 words:

"Awww hell no".

Best,

Sean
#25
I doubt Tom Hess' lessons will benefit you.

Grammar lessons on the other hand....
“Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.”
Charles Darwin
#26
^ well it'll teach you about marketing scams, but at $1000 per month, you'd be better off just taking everyones word for it.
shred is gaudy music
#27
I sometimes wonder if the world of online lessons is worth anything at all.
#28
Quote by Vlasco
I sometimes wonder if the world of online lessons is worth anything at all.


Well, I wouldn't write the whole thing off just because of 1 person.
shred is gaudy music
#29
I actually wouldn't mind a lesson with Tom Hess - I like some of his ideas and he seems professional and knowledgeable. I wouldn't want to play like him or his 'typical' client - that cliche shred thing is old to my ears, but regardless of that, I think he'd be able to help iron out some technique issues etc.

However - I certainly would not pay that kind of money for online lessons!
#30
It's a feeling based on a whole lot of online lesson programs. The big thing I hate is that the global competition effect makes people hate on all the different programs without any experience in them.
#31
tom hess is a self proclaimed virtuoso douche and his methods suck. learn from pebber brown and self teaching. that is all. pebber brown is by far the best guitar teacher online, and probably private too.

unless you actually want to be told 'you aren't ready to master guitar' and nothing else. i know this because my friend singed up to tom hess.
#32
Quote by Vlasco
I sometimes wonder if the world of online lessons is worth anything at all.


There are good ones - Jamplay is a general site that I would honestly have no qualms about in terms of quality and teaching. I also have to put my own Academy site in the list of good ones. You all know me here, and what I stand for, and I'm not ashamed to say that what I teach is definitely good stuff. But I follow your point about hype - but anywhere there's a buck to be made you'll find someone trying to make it.

The problem is that so many of these sites are built upon the backs of guitarists dreams and hopes. In my opinion, if you have a site, you need to also be offering something that you believe in your heart is of benefit, not just "another hyped" lessons site. The other problem I have with so many methods, is it's more marketing than method. The method usually ends up being a rehash of things that you can find in books or that are already out there in some form. So, this is why some people think that no one should pay for anything when it comes to lessons.

As people here know, what I do is not replicated, and is unique, and that's really the only reason that I have a site. I would not presume to make a site for teaching stuff that others have all over the internet...unless so much of that information (on the internet already) was in a convoluted form, and only then, if my site did a remarkable job at teaching and demystifying it and if my conscience was clear that it was actually helping people.

If other sites were as committed to that, as opposed to marketing and making money, we'd all be better off. At least Jamplay as a money making site does deliver. If anyone here claimed that this site is a bad site, I'd write you off as either stupid or ignorant. It's not. I sound like I work for that site, but you all know I dont, Im just highly opinionated and not afraid to laud a site that does a good and honorable job at teaching.

Mike Dodge's website, Justin Guitar, Jamplay, and my Academy are all good - I also appreciate the Stonedragon site on Zentao, and the Ultimate Guide to Guitar as found here (much much more than the highly touted Crusades, which I find to be marginal and showy at best)

Best,

Sean
Last edited by Sean0913 at Feb 29, 2012,
#33
thanx guys , Sean

didnt kno if tom could really help or just tryna get money
"its not the destination.... so much as the journey" one once said
#34

I got my Strat signed by Steve Cropper, and would love (and perhaps even pay extra coz I'm a hypocrite) to meet BB King



You know dude that person was so professional when playing his guitars.....

But as of now my the only one idol is STEVE VAI.
#35
If you have the money, why not :v
I think it would be a good choice if you have some special goals.
#36
So has anyone actually taken any lessons from Tom Hess? It seems like everyone is bashing them without even knowing what's in them.
#37
Quote by XXXguitarman
So has anyone actually taken any lessons from Tom Hess? It seems like everyone is bashing them without even knowing what's in them.


I have. The lessons are better than people make it especially if your goal is to improve your technique and your improv, the lessons are mainly aimed towards those aspects. Ear training is also covered pretty well but my main grip is that the lessons weren't personalised at all. I wanted more theory and I was given little, I was given many technical exercice (most of the time of the form of etudes which is good) but my technique was already above other aspects which are needed to become a good musician.

I did send Hess a cover of windows to the soul from Steve Vai I had done and he helped me improve it by improving my vibrato on bends and positioning my hand better while bending (thumb over the neck for more control). He also has a good technique to mute the strings with the thumb from the picking hand.

TL;DR: Lessons are not personalized enough, they still cover most aspects of musicality but do focus a lot on technique since they are mainly aimed at metal.
#38
Pebber fanboy here:

save yourself the money, Pebber Brown has around 500 videos for frigging free about pretty much any topic out there.
#39
Quote by Slashiepie
Pebber fanboy here:

save yourself the money, Pebber Brown has around 500 videos for frigging free about pretty much any topic out there.


+1,
he is really generous with what he gives away for free, if you were to properly practice and learn what he shows in his vids you would surely become a much better musician.
But boys will be boys and girls have those eyes
that'll cut you to ribbons, sometimes
and all you can do is just wait by the moon
and bleed if it's what she says you ought to do
#40
I think Tom Hess does a good job marketing but I've also seen some youtube clips of him demonstrating techniques such as thumbmuting, which was very helpful for me. I've read mention of pebber brown, also. My interactions with pebro consisted of "send me a video", download this ebook and start there. Initially I was exicited to work with him, but on his forum he's a big baby....lol. He threw a forum tantrum at someone who was lost in what they were trying to achieve. I referred to him as a red hot chili pebber and, alas, I fell out of his grace. I've compared both teacher's styles of play. SHOW me what you are going to teach me. Hands down Tom Hess is the better guitarist, at least if you're interested in rock and roll. Pebro's approach is to try and make a square peg fit in a round hole by insisting you learn classical style and then use that to try and play rock. If you watch some of his students who also post vids, it doesn't fit. You can tell they're missing something.
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