#1
Hey

I want to buy a les paul with Seymour Duncan SH-1n and SH4 pickups but I play metal/metalcore and heavy music in drop C/B. Are these pickups any good for metal? Or should I just aim for EMG's? Now I play stock ibanez pups and they sound pretty tbh, but I'm worried if these Seymours output will be enough for heavy music.
#2
What guitar you play? Btw. SH-4 or either TB-4 is pretty nice for metal and everything. But if you play an ibanez with stock ceramic pickups, you can like SH-6 distortion better. It has even higher output but not that good on soft tones. Sh-1 is not my preference. SH-2 seems to be better for me, but both are not good for metal. They are better for soft tones or clean tones. I'f prefer a set of evolution humbuckers, or evo2 in bridge evo on neck. EMG's are not that good for baswood. Btw seymour duncan TB-6 is pretty good for also low tunings. But dimarzio crunch lab and liquefire is also a good combo i think. BTW go for SH-6 SH-2 if you have chance. Also I think you currently use ceramics. After Ibanez that guitar may can not satisfy you, but yes, SH-4 JB bridge is really nice for metal as a Medium-High output alnico 5 pickup.
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#3
not great

jb has a pretty decent output but it has more of a rock voicing than metal. and its bass isn't that tight.

it's more a pickup that'll do metal at a pinch if you need versatility for other stuff, too. I wouldn't get it if you knew metal was your #1 priority.

for metalcore type stuff EMGs are actually pretty good. You don't *have* to use EMGs to play that stuff, but a lot of the metalcore bands use EMGs, and they do sorta do that tone (with a suitable amp) out of the box without a whole heap of tweaking and fuss etc.

what other type of metal do you play, though?
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#4
bah no EMG can give the sound of passive ceramic pickups. Dimebucker is good if you'd mind a pickup change on your ibanez. High output passives sound better then actives for me.
#5
Stuff like Trivium, August Burns Red, Parkway Drive, All That Remains, Soilwork etc

And I play an old MIJ Ibanez, I don't even know its name but its an 80's guitar
#6
i reckon emgs would probably work fairly well for that type of stuff

though i'm not exactly completely au fait with all those bands, so bear that in mind
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#7
I really like the jb pickup for metal. I think it's pretty ballsy. The guitarists for lamb of god use jb and 59 pickups at one point.

Probably not what you're going for, but if it works for them, it can do metal.
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Another thing you might want to consider is whether or not your guitar is currently set up with active or passive pickups. If you have passives and want to switch to actives, you'll probably have to do some internal modifications for a battery space and whatnot.
#9
EMG's, or DiMarzio D Activators.

The only thing the JB really excels at is like 80's type metal.
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EMG's or Blackouts would be my suggestion. They have a bigger and more crushing sound, as well as being pretty tight. They offer a lot more gain than most passives.
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I feel like every time someone brings up the JB a bunch of people post about how it won't excel for metal when they have never even used one or used one in the wrong environment. Let it be known right now that the JB (and the ceramic magnet version - the SH-6 Distortion) will work incredibly well for metal. I have one in my Les Paul and it's a great pickup on par with the DiMarzio Breed.

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^ go **** yourself

i have two guitars with JBs in them (and fwiw i also have a guitar with a duncan distortion)

i wouldn't pick them for metal

the jb's a jack of all trades, master of none pickup imo
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I agree with Dave, I have a JB in my G-400 and it is a great allround pickup, but you cn do better if you want a specific metal tone. I play blues to metal, so it was a diecent choice for me.
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^ go **** yourself

i have two guitars with JBs in them (and fwiw i also have a guitar with a duncan distortion)

i wouldn't pick them for metal

the jb's a jack of all trades, master of none pickup imo


Dave; I respect you, your opinion and your experience fully. That being said, from my experience with the JB and Distortion, if you can't excel at metal with them then it's operator error. And yes the Breed is also a fine pickup for metal. You could go with Blackouts (which for reference I have two sets of; the 1's in a 7-string set and the 3's in a 6-string set) which are much hotter but they don't sound as toneful as the JB/Distortion. The fact is, these pickups will more than get you a great metal tone; some will be too hot but none listed will be too weak. For additional reference, when I say "metal" I'm referring to the tone on anything from King Diamond to Decapitated. If you need a heavier tone than Decapitated then you're on your own.

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(sorry for telling you to go **** yourself just i don't like when people claim that people who disagree with them have no experience)

I wasn't talking about the distortion, I was talking about the JB. the distortion still wouldn't be my absolute first pick for metal, but it's better at it than the JB.

I stand by what I said- I wouldn't want the JB for metal. That's not saying I can't get a passable metal tone from one or anything like that, but personally I don't like it for metal, and if you ask me there are way better options. It's different if you already have one and are trying to make the best of it- but if you're starting from scratch and have your choice of any pickup on the market, it doesn't make much sense to me to get a pickup which will do at a pinch, but which wouldn't be my first choice.

it's nothing to do with the heat- it's the voicing. it's too loose in the bass for my liking. It has a rock voicing.

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(sorry for telling you to go **** yourself just i don't like when people claim that people who disagree with them have no experience)

I wasn't talking about the distortion, I was talking about the JB. the distortion still wouldn't be my absolute first pick for metal, but it's better at it than the JB.

I stand by what I said- I wouldn't want the JB for metal. That's not saying I can't get a passable metal tone from one or anything like that, but personally I don't like it for metal, and if you ask me there are way better options. It's different if you already have one and are trying to make the best of it- but if you're starting from scratch and have your choice of any pickup on the market, it doesn't make much sense to me to get a pickup which will do at a pinch, but which wouldn't be my first choice.

it's nothing to do with the heat- it's the voicing. it's too loose in the bass for my liking. It has a rock voicing.



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(sorry for telling you to go **** yourself just i don't like when people claim that people who disagree with them have no experience)

I wasn't talking about the distortion, I was talking about the JB. the distortion still wouldn't be my absolute first pick for metal, but it's better at it than the JB.

I stand by what I said- I wouldn't want the JB for metal. That's not saying I can't get a passable metal tone from one or anything like that, but personally I don't like it for metal, and if you ask me there are way better options. It's different if you already have one and are trying to make the best of it- but if you're starting from scratch and have your choice of any pickup on the market, it doesn't make much sense to me to get a pickup which will do at a pinch, but which wouldn't be my first choice.

it's nothing to do with the heat- it's the voicing. it's too loose in the bass for my liking. It has a rock voicing.



No hard feelings. I feel you on that, tone is after all 99% subjective. In my eyes a lot of the appeal is the thick low-mid; it gives it a feel akin to "Dr. Feelgood," but I could see how you would dislike it. What I was mainly getting at was the output being there, as the tone from there is very subjective. I apologize for any false assumptions; I'm just kind of tired (as everyone is) of people being unable to get perfectly excellent gear to function correctly then going on here and saying it's shit. I'm sure you understand that.
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i've got an ibanez rg with a jb [sh-4] in the bridge. i keep it in drop a and play djenty kind of things on it and i actually dig the tone. i haven't played much metalcore on it but i think the low end may be too loose to do fast riffing in low tunings. my schecters got a sh-6 in the bridge and i keep it in drop b and use it for my faster paced songs and i think it sounds awesome. as far as the sh-1 goes its one of my favorite neck pickups. my schecter has it and my ibanez will have one soon. its a super clean pickup thats great for smooth soloing tone. it makes a good contrast for higher output bridge pickups.
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No hard feelings. I feel you on that, tone is after all 99% subjective. In my eyes a lot of the appeal is the thick low-mid; it gives it a feel akin to "Dr. Feelgood," but I could see how you would dislike it. What I was mainly getting at was the output being there, as the tone from there is very subjective. I apologize for any false assumptions; I'm just kind of tired (as everyone is) of people being unable to get perfectly excellent gear to function correctly then going on here and saying it's shit. I'm sure you understand that.


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