#1
I've narrowed my choice to these 2 guitars! Both companies are known for amazing craftsmanship!! I just want hear to what you guys have to say!!
#3
I own the EC-1000 Deluxe (no tremolo), and it is one of the best guitars I've ever laid my hands on.
#4
Yupp am definetly more attracted to single cut aways!! I've played other ec-1000 and they were amazingg and I've always waned a guitar with a floyd rose!! I've also been looking at the Evh Wolfgang special
#5
They're pretty much equal on quality.

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#6
my friends tremonti se doesnt feel like a deluxe ltd to me. feels more like a lower end ltd. my recommendation goes to the ec1000.


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They're pretty much equal on quality.

But you don't need to use exclamation points!!! We get your emphasis!!! !!!!!one!!!!!2!!!!

yup, that's true.
#8
I would take the LTD. though I'm certainly partial to ESP's neck, I found the EC to simply be a slightly better instrument. I also prefer an EMG 60 to an 85

however, given that the guitars have different scale lengths, you really do have to play them. while they are close on paper, they will feel very different once you get your hands on them
#9
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I would take the LTD. though I'm certainly partial to ESP's neck, I found the EC to simply be a slightly better instrument. I also prefer an EMG 60 to an 85

however, given that the guitars have different scale lengths, you really do have to play them. while they are close on paper, they will feel very different once you get your hands on them


This, so much. Get to a store. Specs are next to meaningless. They're really just very rough guidelines, if anything.
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#10
Toreros (at least the one I tried; many other people report the same problems with other ones too, though) are not good guitars. Not even just in the sense that you can get similar guitars from other brands for a little less money, but they plain sound bad. It's just what you get when a company that has specialised in making one specific type of guitar tries to then make another. See also: all the times Gibson has tried to produce Strats, Schecter's attempts at traditional-style guitars, Fret-King's attempts at modern-style guitars.
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my friends tremonti se doesnt feel like a deluxe ltd to me. feels more like a lower end ltd. my recommendation goes to the ec1000.

The Tremonti PRS SE and the Torero PRS SE are WAY different.
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#12
Yeahh definetly am going to play both before making my final decision. What do you guys think bout the set neck vs the neck through body on the Torrero and the original Floyd vs the Floyd 1000 series?? O_o
#13
I'll bet you an e-cookie the LTD has a floyd rose 1000 series too

EDIT: yup:

http://www.espguitars.com/guitars/ltd-standard-deluxe/ec-1000fr.html
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Yeahh definetly am going to play both before making my final decision. What do you guys think bout the set neck vs the neck through body on the Torrero and the original Floyd vs the Floyd 1000 series?? O_o

Set neck vs neck-through just comes down to a question of tone; set neck will have a warmer tone (especially on the neck pickup), the neck-through will have a brighter tone. beyond that, no difference.

The difference between an OFR and an FR-1000 is even less. They are exactly the same, for all intents and purposes. Though as Dave_Mc points out, they both have the FR-1000 anyway.
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Toreros (at least the one I tried; many other people report the same problems with other ones too, though) are not good guitars. Not even just in the sense that you can get similar guitars from other brands for a little less money, but they plain sound bad. It's just what you get when a company that has specialised in making one specific type of guitar tries to then make another. See also: all the times Gibson has tried to produce Strats, Schecter's attempts at traditional-style guitars, Fret-King's attempts at modern-style guitars.

Call me biased, because I own one, but I've never heard a single bad thing about the toreros. I've even read tons of reviews and heard tons of demos that sound fantastic, in addition to my own.
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#16
I've played both. The LTD is a better guitar. But not the best guitar i've ever played for that amount of money imo.
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#17
Actually the Torrero has an original FR. Am leaning more towards the LTD.. What guitar would you recommend that better but in the same price range??
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Actually the Torrero has an original FR. Am leaning more towards the LTD.. What guitar would you recommend that better but in the same price range??


Well, after playing an EC-1000 (EMG's and Duncans) and about 3 Torero's, the Gibson V i ended up buying, plays so well and sounds so good that i ended up getting it.
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Actually the Torrero has an original FR.
Sorry sweetheart, you don't get OFRs on ~£600 guitars. They're always going to be FR-1000s or FR Specials.

But as I said before, the difference between the FR-1000 and FR is nothing, unless you happen to be racist, in which case you may prefer the OFR.
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Which one sounded better to you ?


The Gibson.

But out of the LTD's, i liked the EMG's more because Duncan JB's have a nasty midrange honk to them.
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The difference between an OFR and an FR-1000 is even less. They are exactly the same, for all intents and purposes. Though as Dave_Mc points out, they both have the FR-1000 anyway.


the schaller one is noticeably better, IMO.

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Actually the Torrero has an original FR.


actually no it doesn't

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But as I said before, the difference between the FR-1000 and FR is nothing, unless you happen to be racist, in which case you may prefer the OFR.


or unless you actually happen to know what you're talking about.

the schaller one feels better, and you can see it's been made with more attention to detail, with tighter tolerances etc..

http://dellus.net/tag/floyd-rose-tremolo
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#23
you can get a much better guitar buying used. heck, if you work your but off finding a good deal, you can find a prs ce for the same price, or even an old music man. shop used first, you will get a way better guitar, (and no emg's. overpriced, undertoned)
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the schaller one is noticeably better, IMO.
Sitting here with both in the room (and an FR Special, too), I'm really not seeing any difference. Well, feeling, I should say. The saddles are shaped slightly differently, but beyond that they all look, feel and sound the same and all three have held up just fine. I know the Special has a smaller block, and I think the saddles may be zinc too, but I can't say I notice it in my playing.

Point is, they use the same materials and the same construction. What few aesthetic differences there are don't matter. They've all got steel base plates, which is the most important thing. The FR-1000 certainly has steel saddles and a full size block too; like I said, I'm not so sure on the Special's saddles and the block is definitely smaller, but those aren't huge issues. Ultimately the only difference between the German units and the Korean units is the nationality of the person operating the machines that cast the parts
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I dunno, I mean looking at mine (when i had it), you could see they'd cut corners on the Korean one. It also didn't feel as nice to play with.

I mean the korean one was usable ok, but the schaller one is a pleasure to use



i'd also wager the korean ones use different machines

i agree that a korean is as good a worker as a german. the problem is that's not necessarily the only thing affecting it.
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#26
The only OFR that feels right and can flutter properly etc etc is the German OFR, if they built the Korean ones exactly the same, they would be on par.

But they don't.

So they aren't.

End of.


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As I said before,
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Sitting here with both in the room (and an FR Special, too), I'm really not seeing any difference. Well, feeling, I should say. The saddles are shaped slightly differently, but beyond that they all look, feel and sound the same and all three have held up just fine. I know the Special has a smaller block, and I think the saddles may be zinc too, but I can't say I notice it in my playing.
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#28
they don't look the same, though. i can point to specific things that are different. teh saddles, as you mentioned. or the fine tuners (they feel *very* cheap on the 1000... they're not amazing on the schaller one either (the gotoh has the nicest-feeling fine tuners i've tried), but they're a lot better than the 1000), the bit at the back of the claw where the steel is bent looks like it's been done with a friggin cigarette lighter on the 1000, etc. etc. etc.

i thought they felt different, too. the schaller one had way better flutter and just plain reacted and felt better.

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#29
I'd go with the EC-1000, for sure. ESP has the absolute highest build-quality of any guitar company out there IMO, and the same applies to their more affordable guitars (Korean-made ones like the EC-1000 especially). Both the ones with EMGs and Duncans sound great, but I would take one with Duncans for sure. They're just a lot more versatile.

As for the Toreros, I've played a couple of them and they're okay, but I sure as hell wouldn't shell out my money for one.