#1
Apologies for starting yet another "amp help" thread, but I've just spent a couple of hours reading relevant threads and still need some guidance.

I play in a hard rock/metal covers band (Metallica, Ozzy, Zakk, ACDC, GnR, etc). I use EMG81/85 loaded guitars and currently use an Engl Screamer 50W combo (mostly on high gain with boosted mids and cut treble setting, it's very bright sounding). The band has taken off and being the only guitarist, I need a little more stage presence, both tone and appearance, than a (albeit great) small 1x12 combo. So I'm after a new all valve head and cab, I'm in Europe (UK), and budget is around GBP1000. I'd happily consider new or used. I prefer not to use effects pedals other than a wah. If I had to choose an artist's tone I like to emulate, it would be Zakk Wylde. The array of Marshall models and very differing reviews is perplexing; any help appreciated!

Thanks.
#2
For most of those, your best bet is probably a 1980s JCM 800 2203 or 2204 with an overdrive pedal, but say goodbye to clean cleans. You could also take a look at the Vintage Modern amps.

Why does it have to be a Marshall, though? You could find something similar, more suitable, and for less or comparable money these days.
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#3
If you live in the US I'd say the correct answer would be Splawn Quickrod.
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#6
I have a JVM410h and it's great and very versatile. Loads of gain on hand if you want it.

I'd take a look at that or a JCM800 of some sort.
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#10
laney vh100r, maybe?

engl blackmore?

marshall jvm would work at a pinch (or if you want to do it the more vintage way, a jcm800 or something like that as everyone's been saying)

koch multitone

is your budget bang-on £1000 or is it flexible? does the budget need to cover a cab, too?
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#11
Laney VH100, Marshall DSL100, Marshall JVM. I don't know how prices work over there, but from what I understand British stuff is way cheaper? Anyway, those are the main three I recommend you check out.

JCM800 is great, but it's kind of a terrible choice for a cover band.
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#12
yea, a single channel JCM800 should work well. Add an overdrive pedal for that little push over the cliff, and a chorus pedal to help make your cleans more ....."interesting". From there, you can control a lot of your tone with your volume knob. I play different guitars than you though so results may vary.
#13
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#14
+1 to the suggestion for more cabs as opposed to the new rig...this is provided you can hook your combo up to another cab. If that isn't the case then I vote JVM.
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What can a 2203 do that ^ can't do better?
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#17
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Why?
Almost every band he named used JCM800's at one point or another.


Maybe, but I bet that those bands didn't use a JCM800 exclusively during those times. The JCM800 has no clean channel to speak of. If TS only plays dirty, then the JCM800 is a good suggestion. But seeing as he's in a cover band, I think that only having a JCM800 would be a bad idea.

EDIT: There's also the issue that the 800 is a single channel, so switching between cleans and the kind of dirt that amp is known for is virtually impossible.
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Peavey Predator USA
Douglas Grendel 725
Line 6 Pod HD500X
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#18
If he's after a 800 sound surely one of the two channel Laney AOR's would be a better bet?

If you could find one of course.
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#19
Thanks for everyone's advice. Thinking I'll stick with the Engl Screamer combo and add a cab; but have the opportunity to get my hands on a well priced Peavey 6505 2x12. Given that I'm in a hard rock/metal covers band; what's the general consensus; Engl Screamer Combo with 1x12 cab underneath or Peavey 6505 2x12? Thanks for the help!
#20
up to you, really, they both sound different. for really brutal stuff i'd probably rather have a 6505... for more versatility i'd probably rather have a screamer.
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#21
I'd probably rather have a Screamer than a 6505 for what you said you play in the OP.
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Ibanez RGA42E
Ibanez S420
LTD H-301
Ibanez RG520
Peavey Predator USA
Douglas Grendel 725
Line 6 Pod HD500X
#22
+1 to a 410H. By FAR my favorite Marshall. Plenty of gain, fantastic tone, very versatile. You can find them for like $1000 used, which is a great price for such a good amp.
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+1 to a 410H. By FAR my favorite Marshall. Plenty of gain, fantastic tone, very versatile. You can find them for like $1000 used, which is a great price for such a good amp.


wouldn't sound nearly as good as the Splawn Pro Mod i bought for $1050 i have had it for two years, and its the best middle high gain amp i have owned, other than the Nitro but that is a little more modern sounding high gain. also quick rods are in that ballpark used sometimes as well.
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#24
Well I went with the Peavey 6505 212; what an animal. Best decision I've made in a long time, and bargain of the year! Thanks for everyone's advice!
#25
Obvious answer in my opinion is a DSL50/100 or a JVM. Versatile enough to cover all those eras of rock bands, maintain a really nice clean sound, and just sound great overall. I love my DSL100.
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Well I went with the Peavey 6505 212; what an animal. Best decision I've made in a long time, and bargain of the year! Thanks for everyone's advice!


Good luck transporting it. I had a 5150 212 for a while. Because of that amp, I have sworn to never own a 212 combo again.

It is a complete beast though. That amp really just kicks you in the balls in a way very very few amps can.
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My band:
Fractured Instinct
(For fans of Death/Groove/Prog Metal)

Ibanez RGA42E
Ibanez S420
LTD H-301
Ibanez RG520
Peavey Predator USA
Douglas Grendel 725
Line 6 Pod HD500X
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What can a 2203 do that ^ can't do better?

I highly doubt you'll find one in the UK for your budget, but the QR is amazing
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