#1
Hey guys,

I've played an Epiphone G400 for many years and love the SG shape and Gibson feel.

Unfortunately it fell from a height onto it's head and the neck cracked quite badly. I had it repaired and re-glued a year and a half ago and it's held out quite well, but I'm thinking that a new guitar may be in order. /

Now I'm a bit better off that I was before and was looking at getting something along these lines.



However for not that much more I can get something like THIS!



Aesthetics aside can the basic Gibbo really be that much better than the top end Epi?

Cheers!
#2
now, hundreds of people are gonna come along and say "you pay for the name when you buy a gibson, get the epiphone", and i recommend that you ignore it and go out and try both and see which you like best.

i personally find that gibsons are better quality overall, but there can be some dodgy ones, and likewise there can be some really good epiphones too - there's a potential for a bit of a crossover, but generally, you're paying for build quality when you buy a gibson, and you're paying a bit for the cosmetic frills with the epi.
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#4
Gibson.

Unless your in the UK.

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now, hundreds of people are gonna come along and say "you pay for the name when you buy a gibson, get the epiphone", and i recommend that you ignore it and go out and try both and see which you like best.

i personally find that gibsons are better quality overall, but there can be some dodgy ones, and likewise there can be some really good epiphones too - there's a potential for a bit of a crossover, but generally, you're paying for build quality when you buy a gibson, and you're paying a bit for the cosmetic frills with the epi.


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Gibson.

Unless your in the UK.


+1

in europe get an mij tokai, gordon smith or something like that
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Thanks for the quick replies guys.

I am indeed in the UK, so I feel bound to ask why I shouldn't bother getting a Gibson in the UK? Are they not all made in the same place?

Cheers
#7
If possible play both and then decide.I have a friend that has 4 very nice Gibsons and his favorite guitar is a$200 Jay Turser LP copy.Go figure.He plays the hell out of it though.
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#8
Try them out.
I didn't like the Gibson neck at all, the Epis felt better to me.
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#9
I have tried a few epi prophecy guitars and they are hit or miss... If you like the sound of EMG's try out a few of these until you find a good one...as I still think they are better than low end gibsons. I know some of you will bitch about epis not being as good as gibsons. but epi's top end are pretty nice if you find a good one....I have tried some lower end gibbys that were crap... As with all guitars some are just better than others. This goes for all brands.
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Quote by kharmael
Thanks for the quick replies guys.

I am indeed in the UK, so I feel bound to ask why I shouldn't bother getting a Gibson in the UK? Are they not all made in the same place?

Cheers


For £1k you pay for a Studio, I could get you something better suited.

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I really think it's worth mentioning that isn't really 'top-end Epiphone'. When you talk about the range of Epiphones, things like the Prophecy series are really in the middle. They're a very nice part of the middle, of course, but they're still the middle. The real 'top-end' Epiphones are the Elitist and Elite series.

That said, you're comparing two fairly different guitars. There are enough significant specification differences between the Epi Prophecy models and the Gibson Studios that this isn't a simple case of one being objectively higher quality or better value than the other. I mean, the simple fact that one has active picups and the othe rhas passives is already a considerable difference; add in the difference in frets, fretboard material, neck contour, nut material, finish type and woods used and you start to see that they're not as simple to compare as they first seem.

Considering how many different Les Pauls there are out there - be they Epiphone, Gibson or a copy brand - I'd suggest you think long and hard about the music you play and the spec you want, then make your purchase based on that. A guitar that suits you is always better than one that is of arguably higher quality but that is a less appropriate model.


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Thanks for the quick replies guys.

I am indeed in the UK, so I feel bound to ask why I shouldn't bother getting a Gibson in the UK? Are they not all made in the same place?

Cheers
Gibsons are just a little dear here compared to hat many other countries pay for them, plus because distribution isn't so good you often have less to choose from. Gibsons can vary a lot (especially the feel of the neck), so it's not smart to buy online; the bad distribution means it's often hard to find lots in stores to pick from, though.

I maintain that if you are lucky enough to find the right Gibson for you, it'll be the most unbelievably perfect guitar you'll ever touch it will be worth any price tag and nothing will ever be able to replace it; Gibsons have a certain magic to them, when you find the right one. Problem is, you could play 100 Gibsons and not find that one, perfect guitar.
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#14
if your going to play metal or anything like that go for the epiphone. Just because gibson isn't written in the headstock doesn't mean theres anything wrong with it...i love my epiphone les paul custom zakk wylde...and personally i think a high end epi is better than a low end gibson depending on what style your playing.
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Quote by kharmael
The Prophecy Epi is going for circa £500 and the faded/ studio Gibbo is going for £650/700

Considering my original G400 cost around £300 then it's quite a step up whichever way I go!


Oh that's a faded faded studio. My bad

Either way, for £700ish. There are better guitar, MIA or not, out there.

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Quote by kharmael
Thanks for the quick replies guys.

I am indeed in the UK, so I feel bound to ask why I shouldn't bother getting a Gibson in the UK? Are they not all made in the same place?

Cheers


oh yeah, sure

it's more to do with how much they cost here and how much other guitars go for
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#18
It has already been said but it's the best advice in this case, go get your hands on both of those guitars instead of looking at them and try them so you can actually decide which one is better by your ear and feel instead of a price-tag and what a headstock says there
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#19
Between those exact two I say the gibson. I'm not really a fan of either of those two though. I think if you're going to flip a coin between bottom end gibson and upper end epiphone there are better epiphone's to consider. Never mind that there are a handful of other single cut's that are in my opinion better than either.
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#20
I agree with what some of the others have said. Apples and oranges. The prophecy is designed with a specific genre of guitar playing in mind. The Gibson is your traditional Les Paul design minus the frills. Also the Gibson is chambered and will probably much more comfortable to sling over your shoulder. I would go with the Gibson hands down but that's easy for me to say since I have no interest in a heavy metal style shredders guitar.
#21
I thinking you'll be disappointed in either guitars bridge pup compared to your G-400. That icepick-like chiming sustain coming off that mahogony slab just isn't the same on an LP (IMO), not to mention the vastly different neck profile compared to your SG. Any LP neck will be narrower with closer string spacing, technically easier to play, but VERY different from what you are used to. Borrow one from a bud for a week or two if you can, or hang out at some stores and play a few over a couple weeks, I predict you'll end up with another SG if you do.
#22
There is a guy near me (Ireland) selling tokai now from a little store. They are better than the vast majority of Gibsons I played before settling on one.

Here's the link - http://www.guitarshopeurope.com//index.html
I played both the LS48's he has in stock and they are crackers, full solid bodies (not chambered like my Gibson standard LE) he gigs with one of them the whole time too and leave his gibsons and home.

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#23
The thing is - one Gibson Faded SG was the worst guitar I've played (not only setup, it had a badly sanded neck and a small gap between neck and freboard) - and another was super-nice. Guitars vary.

Go out and play them! I would also recommend you to consider Tokai, which is a brand that offers very good guitars in pretty much every price range. There's not only Gibson or Epiphone out there, and since you live in the UK, you have a few shops selling Tokais.
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#24
Hey guys, I've played an Epiphone G400 for many years and love the SG shape and Gibson feel. Unfortunately it fell from a height onto it's head and the neck cracked quite badly. I had it repaired and re-glued a year and a half ago and it's held out quite well, but I'm thinking that a new guitar may be in order. / Now I'm a bit better off that I was before and was looking at getting something along these lines. However for not that much more I can get something like THIS! Aesthetics aside can the basic Gibbo really be that much better than the top end Epi? Cheers!



If you love the look and feel of the SG, why are you looking at getting a Les Paul?
They feel totally different.
#25
Quote by MrFlibble
The real 'top-end' Epiphones are the Elitist and Elite series

The Elitist series has been discontinued for almost 5 years. At least among Les Paul styles, the Ultras are the top of the line now, although it's a bit silly to call anything Epi makes "top of the line" because their whole purpose is to make lower cost Gibsons.
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The Elitist series has been discontinued for almost 5 years. At least among Les Paul styles, the Ultras are the top of the line now, although it's a bit silly to call anything Epi makes "top of the line" because their whole purpose is to make lower cost Gibsons.

yep, i tend to think of gibsons and epiphones as being part of the same line of products, it prevents confusion at least.
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#27
If you want a good Epiphone you'll need to try out lots to find one. Like was said There are no High end Epiphones only more expensive epiphones.

Yes you can certainly find good Epis, I have a G-400 that I think is a great guitar.

You need to go try the guitars out that you are looking at because thay can vary greatly from one to another.
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Out of those 2 I'd get the Gibson.
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#29
well, speaking from experience, the epiphones, most of the models you will have to invest a decent amount of money to make them halfway decent to play. In my Epi LP Custom, i replaced all electronics, pots, pickups, toggle switch and I still dont like it near my Gibson LP standard. The wood IS different in a epi and gibby. Dont fool yourself.
NOw, with that being said, you will spend about the same amount getting your Epi up to par as a Gibson Studio, so just play the instrument you are looking to buy to make sure you like it
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#30
gibby, 4 sure
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