Poll: Should we have borders?
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View poll results: Should we have borders?
Yes.
79 78%
No.
22 22%
Voters: 101.
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#1
Today, my friend's husband from Tunisia was denied citizenship in Canada because he failed to correctly answer an entry exam on Canadian politics, rights and responsibilities.

Many of us were complaining about this at work today and somebody said: "it's the bad ones (illegals) who're ruining the system for all the good ones (legals)."

And it got me thinking... I know this is probably very basic, but to me it's still a very real and valid question:

What's wrong with immigrants in general? Why do we need borders? Why does somebody need a passport if they want to walk from Montreal to Brazil?

I simply don't understand the logic behind deportations and denying people citizenship and access to a free world w/o borders.

What do you think, Pit? Discuss.
#2
Because not having borders would allow you to reap the benefits of a system without actually contributing anything to it. Unsustainable.
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#3
Borders give people a reason to think "us vs them", which is bad. Simultaneously it would be difficult to imagine a functioning world without them if we should suddenly remove them. How would a goverment work? Or laws? - When you can't define the area where the laws and rules apply.
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#4
I disagree with borders. I would like them to be more like state lines in the US, that would make far more sense.

Imagine if tomorrow it was announced that between every city there was going to be a border, in the same way there are between countries, or even between several parts of your own country. It would be idiotic, no one would want that, but it gets accepted when it happens on a slightly larger scale.. The concept is immoral.

I disagree with the idea that as a human being born on the planet that it is acceptable for other people to decide you can't go where you please on the planet, providing you aren't hurting other people and so forth when doing so.

People need to start thinking of the world on the big scale in regards to humanity as a whole instead of thinking of it on their own tiny microcosm as if that shit actually matters.

In other words, people should watch this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJE_Ld-UyCk
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#5
If you don't know jack shit about the country you're living in, you should probably not be living there in the first place, let alone being a citizen.
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#7
I guess a lot of people feel like they are taking jobs from locals. But the way I see it, whoever works harder should get the job. If you lose your job to some immigrant, looks like this immigrant to live in your country a little more than you.
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#8
Borders have a purpose in the way the world currently functions. It should not be changed until there is a fully developed alternative that can safely be implemented that will serve as an improvement.
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#9
Quote by darkstar2466
If you don't know jack shit about the country you're living in, you should probably not be living there in the first place, let alone being a citizen.

I think if you did the citizenship tests immigrants have to do in any given country you'd see atleast half the populating being tossed out.
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#10
It's a lot better than Barnes & Noble.
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It's a lot better than Barnes & Noble.



No.
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#16
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Because not having borders would allow you to reap the benefits of a system without actually contributing anything to it. Unsustainable.


Exactly. It would be like everyone leaving their house open for anyone to walk in and out. Eventually all your stuff is going to be gone so I would rather know who is coming in and out of my house. I know it's a dumb comparison, but that's how I see it.
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#17
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Why the hell would somebody walk from Montreal to brazil?


Because they can.
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#18
Quote by StewieSwan
Because not having borders would allow you to reap the benefits of a system without actually contributing anything to it. Unsustainable.


But we already have that problem; it's called globalization, outsourcing and multinational corporations.

Why does capital get a free pass and we, physical beings, don't?
#19
Quote by darkstar2466
If you don't know jack shit about the country you're living in, you should probably not be living there in the first place, let alone being a citizen.


Really? How many people do you know who've actually taken the time to acquaint themselves with their rights and responsibilities? Or politics in general, for that matter?
#21
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We don't have Borders anymore.

They went out of business

R.I.P. Borders
#22
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R.I.P. Borders


Was so much better than Barnes & Nobles. Luckily in it's last dying breaths I got the books of Who Killed Amanda Palmer?, Death Cab For Cutie, and Would It Kill You? - Hellogoodbye on CD for like 10 dollars.
#23
Ideologically: NO
Realistically: YES
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#24
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R.I.P. Borders


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#27
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Today, my friend's husband from Tunisia was denied citizenship in Canada because he failed to correctly answer an entry exam on Canadian politics, rights and responsibilities.


How do you mess that up?

"Do you want to be Canadian?"

"Are you sure?"

You, good sir, have not gone over to your friends house after a hard night of drinking to find 2 dudes passed out in the same room both holding their own flaccid cocks in hand, passed out, with porn on the tv.
#28
Quote by Rising
But we already have that problem; it's called globalization, outsourcing and multinational corporations.

Why does capital get a free pass and we, physical beings, don't?



Where in my post did I imply that it's awesome that corporations can do it?
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#29
No. They're ridiculous and arbitrary.
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#30
Quote by Zoot Allures
I disagree with borders. I would like them to be more like state lines in the US, that would make far more sense.


This. That would be amazing. I think that for the most part our obsession with borders and, as Kensai said, "us vs them" is a tribal thing. We're still animals, even if people don't want to admit it, and in a way I think the modern "tribe" is the people within one's own border. We're trained to believe that everything else is not to be trusted, so when someone from another "tribe" crosses our border, it's like they're on our turf.

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Quote by darkstar2466
If you don't know jack shit about the country you're living in, you should probably not be living there in the first place, let alone being a citizen.


Pretty sure most Americans wouldn't pass their own citizenship test...
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#31
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If you don't know jack shit about the country you're living in, you should probably not be living there in the first place, let alone being a citizen.

America.
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#32
we need borders so we know what constitutes a foreigner and where we should send them back to
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#33
Borders stop people from killing each other over land disputes (until some genius wants to change them).
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#34
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Should we have borders?

Idealistically, no.

Practically, yes.


But why?

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Ideologically: NO
Realistically: YES


But why? Elaborate, son. Because if we're prepared to agree that borders are practical; what's to stop us from eventually setting up a border between our own respective cities?

Men and women should be free to roam and ramble around the world; the idea that we're all captives in our own homeland depresses the shit out of me.
Last edited by Rising at Feb 22, 2012,
#35
Quote by Rising
But why? Elaborate, son. Because if we're prepared to agree that borders are practical; what's to stop us from eventually setting up a border between our own respective cities?

Men and women should be free to roam and ramble around the world; the idea that we're all captives in our own homeland depresses the shit out of me.

Because there are more things that rely on borders than them just being invisible lines. To remove the borders would mean we would have to change entire systems that rely on them, and while some people would like to see borders gone, they wouldn't want to see that particular system distorted. Thus, it's ideal that there are no borders, but it's not realistic due to the fact that we couldn't just remove border themselves because they are bound to other systems.
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#36
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America.


Seriously, this.

In my Psychology class about 3 years ago, my teacher gave everyone in my class a citizenship test.

I was the only one that passed.

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#37
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Because there are more things that rely on borders than them just being invisible lines. To remove the borders would mean we would have to change entire systems that rely on them, and while some people would like to see borders gone, they wouldn't want to see that particular system distorted. Thus, it's ideal that there are no borders, but it's not realistic due to the fact that we couldn't just remove border themselves because they are bound to other systems.


How would it hurt the system if we got rid of borders? Or, as Zoot put it, made them like state lines in the US?

If the system can't reform itself to accommodate the destruction of borders... maybe it's time we take a step back to objectively re-evaluate that system?
#38
Quote by DonGlover
Because there are more things that rely on borders than them just being invisible lines. To remove the borders would mean we would have to change entire systems that rely on them, and while some people would like to see borders gone, they wouldn't want to see that particular system distorted. Thus, it's ideal that there are no borders, but it's not realistic due to the fact that we couldn't just remove border themselves because they are bound to other systems.

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#39
Quote by Rising
How would it hurt the system if we got rid of borders? Or, as Zoot put it, made them like state lines in the US?

If the system can't reform itself to accommodate the destruction of borders... maybe it's time we take a step back to objectively re-evaluate that system?



As I stated earlier, it will create unsustainable systems. There will be more people taking out of things like healthcare and the fire department than there are people putting back in. Getting rid of borders would also cause massive legal issues between countries that have very different judicial systems. It's just not possible.
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#40
I thought this would be about the failing/failed bookstore chain...

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Because not having borders would allow you to reap the benefits of a system without actually contributing anything to it. Unsustainable.

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