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So I recently decided to buy a guitar since I wanted to learn how to play. I had a $400 budget and I wanted a good all around guitar that was good for playing anything. For practice I wanted to play chords without an amp and some lighter blues, etc. However, I eventually wanted to get into some metal. I started to learn some of Metallica's easier metal songs and they were pretty easy to play. Paired with my Fender Mustang I the sound sounds very genuine and fantastic in my opinion. I visited over 10 guitar shops here in the Bay Area and everyone basically told me that the two best all-around guitars would be a Stratocaster or a Les Paul. I decided to pick up an Epiphone Les Paul Standard in Ebony since I thought it looked pretty good.

After doing a little research on the UG forums it turns out that people think LP's with the stock pickups are very bad for Metal and they really don't sound good. I went down to Guitar Center and played around with a Peavey tube amp and tried multiple guitars on the same metal amp setting. I tried some $2000+ Jackson and Ibanez guitars and at the same setting on the amp I couldn't tell any different between the $400 Epiphone LP.

So are LP Standard's really that bad for metal? Keep in mind that I don't ever plan on playing on stage, I just got a guitar to play along with some of my favorite Metal songs while learning chords and stuff along the way.
#2
It should work fine. You might want to upgrade the pickups in the future though.
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Itll be ok, just about, pretty muddy and you wont really get enough gain so yeh a pickup swap would vastly improve the sound
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LP Standards are fine for metal, if you're talking about regular plain metal and you have a good, suitable amp to play through. Even with the stock pickups! Hell, Metallica have recorded albums with Gibson R8 and R9 Les Pauls with their stock pickups, and those are lower output and warmer-toned than the Epiphone stock pickups.

The negativity comes down to that first bit - plain metal and a suitable amp. Lots of people on the internet will say a guitar sucks because they're trying to get a reall extravagant tone out of a cheap starter amp, and it's a particular problem when talking about metal because there are so many different sub-genres and people get used to whichever style they listen to as being the standard. For example, an Epiphone Les Paul would not be a good choice for playing black metal; but black metal fans won't specify that, they'll just say "this guitar sucks for metal" because they don't register their obscure, more extreme style of music as not being standard.

Basically, when you're talking about playing Metallica songs though a moderately decent Peavey valve amp, yes, Epiphone Les Pauls are fine for metal. When you're talking about playing Gaahlskagg through a Vox AC15, no, Epiphone Les Pauls are not suitable.
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#5
The LPs I played were really good and the pickups were decent. You seem to like the guitar, go for it.
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To respectfully paraphrase MrFlibble: You should be fine.
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LP Standards are fine for metal, if you're talking about regular plain metal and you have a good, suitable amp to play through. Even with the stock pickups! Hell, Metallica have recorded albums with Gibson R8 and R9 Les Pauls with their stock pickups, and those are lower output and warmer-toned than the Epiphone stock pickups.

The negativity comes down to that first bit - plain metal and a suitable amp. Lots of people on the internet will say a guitar sucks because they're trying to get a reall extravagant tone out of a cheap starter amp, and it's a particular problem when talking about metal because there are so many different sub-genres and people get used to whichever style they listen to as being the standard. For example, an Epiphone Les Paul would not be a good choice for playing black metal; but black metal fans won't specify that, they'll just say "this guitar sucks for metal" because they don't register their obscure, more extreme style of music as not being standard.

Basically, when you're talking about playing Metallica songs though a moderately decent Peavey valve amp, yes, Epiphone Les Pauls are fine for metal. When you're talking about playing Gaahlskagg through a Vox AC15, no, Epiphone Les Pauls are not suitable.


This. The amplifier is a huge part of your guitar's tone. It can also change the way a guitar 'feels'.

Epi LP's are not the best guitars for metal as the pickups don't take high gain too well. They tend to be more voiced for blues and classic rock than high gain stuff. You can make almost any guitar a decent metal guitar provided that your amp is appropriate. But weather or not it captures what you hear in your head is a different story all together.

It wouldn't hurt to have pickups that have more clarity with high gain. But if you like how your guitar sounds, then i don't see a problem.
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#8
Try also Les Paul copy's of other brands, they might sound better for the price..
I've also been told that if you have a choice between a 400$ Epi or a 400$ Gibson you should go for the Gibson (that's a bit obvious though, isn't it?)
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Try also Les Paul copy's of other brands, they might sound better for the price..
I've also been told that if you have a choice between a 400$ Epi or a 400$ Gibson you should go for the Gibson (that's a bit obvious though, isn't it?)


If we're talking used, maybe. If we're talking new, hell no.
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LP Standards are fine for metal, if you're talking about regular plain metal and you have a good, suitable amp to play through. Even with the stock pickups! Hell, Metallica have recorded albums with Gibson R8 and R9 Les Pauls with their stock pickups, and those are lower output and warmer-toned than the Epiphone stock pickups.

The negativity comes down to that first bit - plain metal and a suitable amp. Lots of people on the internet will say a guitar sucks because they're trying to get a reall extravagant tone out of a cheap starter amp, and it's a particular problem when talking about metal because there are so many different sub-genres and people get used to whichever style they listen to as being the standard. For example, an Epiphone Les Paul would not be a good choice for playing black metal; but black metal fans won't specify that, they'll just say "this guitar sucks for metal" because they don't register their obscure, more extreme style of music as not being standard.

Basically, when you're talking about playing Metallica songs though a moderately decent Peavey valve amp, yes, Epiphone Les Pauls are fine for metal. When you're talking about playing Gaahlskagg through a Vox AC15, no, Epiphone Les Pauls are not suitable.


+1, pretty much

they wouldn't be my first choice, but they'll work as long as the amp is good, and you're talking relatively mainstream metal (i.e. no need for ridiculous surgical precision etc. etc.)
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Hell, Metallica have recorded albums with Gibson R8 and R9 Les Pauls with their stock pickups, and those are lower output and warmer-toned than the Epiphone stock pickups.
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For example, an Epiphone Les Paul would not be a good choice for playing black metal; but black metal fans won't specify that, they'll just say "this guitar sucks for metal" because they don't register their obscure, more extreme style of music as not being standard.
Euronymous from the BM band Mayhem always used a LP standard, im not a massive fan of the BM tone at all but he seems to nail it with the LP

Theres a few metal bands these days that are starting to use more low gain vintage voiced pickups. Lamb of God come to mind, both guitarists have and i think they still do both use SD '59's and Pearly Gates in their guitars.
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