Poll: What political statues should Indian Reservations/First Nations have?
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View poll results: What political statues should Indian Reservations/First Nations have?
I don't think Indian Reservations/First Nations should even exist
9 47%
I'm fine with how things are now
2 11%
I would support greater autonomy, but not sovereignty
3 16%
I would support full independence
5 26%
Voters: 19.
#1
This thread is bad and I should feel bad. I'm still curious about UG's opinion.

I'm wondering how you all would feel about this. If there was some sort of Native American political movement (which there obviously have been, but I mean a massive one, such as the Civil Rights Movement) demanding greater autonomy (or even sovereignty) of Indian Reservations and/or First Nations, as well as greater recognition of Native American language, cultural impact, etc., would you support it, and to what extent? (see poll).

Personally, I'd support them becoming fully autonomous nations (better than the quasi-autonomy they have now), but not sovereignty. Being fully independent would be a mess, and pointless IMO, but at the same time, I am aware of the issues regarding Native Americans and I think greater autonomy and a larger sense of cultural identity would help.

Discuss.
Last edited by slipknot5678 at Feb 24, 2012,
#2
I'm First Nations and I would completely support this.
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#4
In theory the idea is nice, but the reality is that Reservations are terrible places where the infant mortality rate is unacceptably high and drug addiction is rampant. It's obviously not working the way it is currently set up, and I think full autonomy would just worsen the problem.


Edit: I'm speaking about Reservations in the USA.
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#5
If they want autonomy, fine. But I don't want to hear bitching and complaining for money when their leaders siphon off funds for their own families and leave their communities bankrupt.

I'm not saying all the communities are like that, but three of the reservations around my community filed for bankruptcy, one has their financial records being investigated for embezzlement, two others are on the verge on bankruptcy, and the last one has stable budget right now because they just signed a major deal for their land with the government.

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#6
Don't know jack about First Nations in Canada, but in the USA:

It seems like what autonomy there is doesn't go to productive use. Alcoholism, crime, infant mortality...its worse on reservations. I think sovereignty would not help, though it may not worsen existing problems.

I don't know how to get around the problems of integration while protecting cultural identity, but I think that's the solution, personally.
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#7
call me racist here, but most of the indians here are all on welfare, they have the ability to work, but they don't. they'd rather sit on their asses and get ****ed up on listerine. true story. they get high off listerine, when alcohol is cheaper, and their faces get ****ed up and disgusting. i have mad respect for the natives who work and aren't filthy, but about 85% of them are. which is why i do NOT support them in any way and they should go back and live on the reservations, where they belong. not in your house, stealing your VCRs.
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call me racist here, but most of the indians here are all on welfare, they have the ability to work, but they don't. they'd rather sit on their asses and get ****ed up on listerine. true story. they get high off listerine, when alcohol is cheaper, and their faces get ****ed up and disgusting. i have mad respect for the natives who work and aren't filthy, but about 85% of them are. which is why i do NOT support them in any way and they should go back and live on the reservations, where they belong. not in your house, stealing your VCRs.


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#9
We don't have reservations or special government sanctioned places for any other ethnic group as far as I'm aware, so I'd support just dissolving the reservations as a whole and have them integrate with everyone else. I can't see how independence would do any good at all, as they're already stricken with poverty. Get rid of reservations, get them some special aid to integrate with everyone else, and be done with it.
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#10
Well, I kind of just wanted to see all of you debate this with each other, but it seems I'll need to get this going.

I will admit that my view on this is 100% idealistic, and when I posted this, I was thinking more of the First Nations than U.S. reservations (there seems to be more hope for them, even though the same problems are going on there). I recognise that most reservations have high infant mortality, crime, drug abuse, etc. and I agree that the autonomy that they have is not being put to good use.

This is why I wish there was some sort of cultural movement (I'm not native so there's nothing I can really do about this). I do believe that if they were governed differently (again, idealism, so I won't go into how quite yet; I've had enough public humiliation these past couple weeks) and there was more desire for change, it could work out.

I do think discrimination against Native Americans is a huge issue. Outside the reservation, there is a large anti-Native American attitude, as shown in exhailingwilcox's post. While he has a good point, I feel by thinking the way he does, people like him are contributing to it. On the reservation, they are often exploited. Go into any gift shop or museum on a reservation, and you will see a very stereotypical view of Native American culture. This is one thing that I think leads to the "IDGAF" attitude that leads to health, crime, and poverty issues. I also think this ties into the gambling industry. Rather than using their autonomy to try to improve education, etc., money is spent on casinos. In Utah, many tribal governments don't even have casinos, instead they accept money offered from the LDS church to not open casinos, which isn't surprising since the LDS church has always lobbied against gambling. This is another example of lazy leadership.

On the issue of federal funding, I'm for it, since I am only supporting autonomy, so they would still technically be a part of the United States/Canada. I recognise the moral issue with this. Many reservations are exempt from federal and state taxes, so many will be angered by funding something that isn't paying. I understand this, and I would want reservations to pay some taxes. For example, many reservations are exempt from tobacco taxes. If they were not, then they would be contributing, and it may reduce the drug abuse issue. It could be argued that that would only increase poverty though.

Eh, I don't know where I'm going with this, so I'll stop here. I'm just trying to stir up a bit of a healthy debate while raising awareness of Native American problems. I'm probably just making myself look stupid again.

Edit: Another thing, I do not support reservations being only an ethnic thing. I agree there should not be any ethnic political boundaries, but that's not really practical at the moment and I'm being an idealist again.
Last edited by slipknot5678 at Feb 24, 2012,
#11
The problem is, at least in Canada, we can argue this all day long, but there has already been referendums on this (in BC at least) and the native people of the band that had the referendum don't want that autonomy. They want to continue the system they have right now where they get exploited by the those that want to use their land, but at the same time will get enough money to keep living and doing nothing.

On top of that, the people in my area have disgusting view on how things get done. The same band that had the referendum on the autonomy issue, also received a offer from a major oil company that would see the band get 3 million dollars to get their 'ok' on a pipe line running NEAR their land. Not on their land, but NEAR. The band elected a council to make the deal with the oil company. When the council came back to the band and gave them the details of the deal, the band did not want to discuss it, and just told them to get it done. So the council signed the deal. As soon as the deal was announced, there was mass protest against the deal from the band. 'Occupy the band office' was all over the town. Obviously we are allowed to protest when things that we don't agree with are passed by those elected, but the fact that you had a chance to discuss it with those you elected and you just said 'don't bother', that's disgusting. If there is going to be an autonomous system, there needs to be a strong foundation to build on, and I don't see the beginnings of a foundation at all, let alone a strong one.

Again, this is not all of Canada, nor USA, just what I know locally.
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#13
It would just lead to more casinos and that's about it.
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#14
Why can't they integrate with us? It's 2012.

Aren't many reservations slums anyway? Wouldn't more openness and community interaction help them?

The ones around me just toss nets over the rivers. They hold none of the values their ancestors did. The only thing people go there for is gambling, cheap liquor, and fireworks. This is around me, I can't speak for others. They're also pretty much slums. At least the ones around me I think would benefit with more integration.