Poll: Is file sharing stealing?
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#1
If you download something from a site like filestube or mediafire, would you consider that stealing?
Last edited by HowSoonisNow at Feb 25, 2012,
#3
If you manage to download from megaupload then you're a genius, not a thief.

And no.
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#7
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If you download something from a site like megaupload or mediafire, would you consider that stealing?

I've downloaded original content from those sites in the past, whose creators had stored it there for convenience. So just being on one of those sites is NEVER inherently stealing.
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If you manage to download from megaupload then you're a genius, not a thief.

And no.


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#10
Is this the same thread we've seen turn into a steaming pile of pre-shoveled bull shit a thousand times on every forum in existence?

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#11
File Sharing isn't illegal. That's a generalization people make foolishly - there's plenty of legal media you can get from filesharing. Linux distributions, freeware, music artists publish for free *CoughShamelessplugCoughCough*, etc. It's a legal tool often used for illegal purposes, but it's still legal, and still used legally plenty.

So with the question being asked, no, I wouldn't call downloading something from the mentioned sites automatically stealing. More specifics are needed.

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#12
Getting an artist's work for free w/o his or her consent would be stealing if that answers your question.
#13


Well we know how the government feels about this. I feel a little bad for the creators of megaupload, it sounds like they're gonna get ****ed up the ass real hard for this.
#14
No, it's sharing.
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Well we know how the government feels about this. I feel a little bad for the creators of megaupload, it sounds like they're gonna get ****ed up the ass real hard for this.


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#20
The real question at hand happens to be: is stealing file sharing?
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This is some crappy logic that operates on the assumption that physical concepts are no different from digital concepts, which is false.

The real loss that stems from theft isn't in the property as an entity being removed. It's in the value that exists through the consumption and usage of that property. Stupid pictures like that are kindergarten oversimplifications of this issue.

In both physical and digital realms, what's really being paid for is the consumption of the product or idea. So yes, even though a digital file is not removed, merely copied, this isn't the point of theft. The point of theft is when the people who consume and use products without paying.

I am going to be honest and say that yes, I do steal on occasions, especially when I can circumvent some barriers of entries for things. It's not something that's good and I pay when I can. I'm not going to bullshit my way out of this by using shitty justifications like that picture.

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#22
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The real question at hand happens to be: is stealing file sharing?


Indeed.
#23
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Stupid pictures like that are kindergarten oversimplifications of this issue.

That's the joke.
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This is some crappy logic that operates on the assumption that physical concepts are no different from digital concepts, which is false.

The real loss that stems from theft isn't in the property as an entity being removed. It's in the value that exists through the consumption and usage of that property. Stupid pictures like that are kindergarten oversimplifications of this issue.

In both physical and digital realms, what's really being paid for is the consumption of the product or idea. So yes, even though a digital file is not removed, merely copied, this isn't the point of theft. The point of theft is when the people who consume and use products without paying.

I am going to be honest and say that yes, I do steal on occasions, especially when I can circumvent some barriers of entries for things. It's not something that's good and I pay when I can. I'm not going to bullshit my way out of this by using shitty justifications like that picture.


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#25
Yes it is.
I maybe might IDK do it daily but i stll understand it's wrong.
#26
The real question is: does arguing the semantics of the word "theft" count as a legitimate argument for piracy?

I don't give a shit about people downloading music and films. I just get annoyed at the moral high ground these people seem to try and build themselves.
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This is some crappy logic that operates on the assumption that physical concepts are no different from digital concepts, which is false.

The real loss that stems from theft isn't in the property as an entity being removed. It's in the value that exists through the consumption and usage of that property. Stupid pictures like that are kindergarten oversimplifications of this issue.

In both physical and digital realms, what's really being paid for is the consumption of the product or idea. So yes, even though a digital file is not removed, merely copied, this isn't the point of theft. The point of theft is when the people who consume and use products without paying.

I am going to be honest and say that yes, I do steal on occasions, especially when I can circumvent some barriers of entries for things. It's not something that's good and I pay when I can. I'm not going to bullshit my way out of this by using shitty justifications like that picture.


This logic assumes that if the person hadn't pirated that product then they would have bought it - and this being the case it cannot be written off as a 'lost sale'. I know that many of the bands I have on my laptop and now love, have bought merchandise from and have bought tickets for, I never would have listened to if I hadn't pirated their music.

And the 'consummation without purchase' concept doesn't hold too much water either, as everyone does this constantly. Listening to a friend's CD is illegal by this idea, overhearing someone playing music loud in the car is, watching a film with someone using a single DVD would be, watching someone play a game would be, playing a one-console multiplayer game that belongs to someone else would be. The point works in a vacuum, but is completely illogical in reality.
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This logic assumes that if the person hadn't pirated that product then they would have bought it - and this being the case it cannot be written off as a 'lost sale'. I know that many of the bands I have on my laptop and now love, have bought merchandise from and have bought tickets for, I never would have listened to if I hadn't pirated their music.

And the 'consummation without purchase' concept doesn't hold too much water either, as everyone does this constantly. Listening to a friend's CD is illegal by this idea, overhearing someone playing music loud in the car is, watching a film with someone using a single DVD would be, watching someone play a game would be, playing a one-console multiplayer game that belongs to someone else would be. The point works in a vacuum, but is completely illogical in reality.


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#29
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This is some crappy logic that operates on the assumption that physical concepts are no different from digital concepts, which is false.

The real loss that stems from theft isn't in the property as an entity being removed. It's in the value that exists through the consumption and usage of that property. Stupid pictures like that are kindergarten oversimplifications of this issue.

In both physical and digital realms, what's really being paid for is the consumption of the product or idea. So yes, even though a digital file is not removed, merely copied, this isn't the point of theft. The point of theft is when the people who consume and use products without paying.

I am going to be honest and say that yes, I do steal on occasions, especially when I can circumvent some barriers of entries for things. It's not something that's good and I pay when I can. I'm not going to bullshit my way out of this by using shitty justifications like that picture.

The point of theft is when people consume and use products without PERMISSION or compensation. Permission is a huge factor there. Saying that consuming a product without paying for it is damning everyone who ever took a can of soda from their buddy's fridge without comping them for it, which is just silly since you're arguing principle here.

As far as whether or not I personally download music, I'll do it to see if I like the album. If I like it, I'll buy it when I get paid. If I don't, I delete it and they wouldn't have gotten my money anyway.
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The real question is: does arguing the semantics of the word "theft" count as a legitimate argument for piracy?

I don't give a shit about people downloading music and films. I just get annoyed at the moral high ground these people seem to try and build themselves.


WAAAAAAHHHHH YOU'RE STEALING MY SHIT ONLINE. WAAAAAHHHHHH IMA TELL ON YOUUUU.

That's what it sounds like when people play that whole moral high ground card.
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This logic assumes that if the person hadn't pirated that product then they would have bought it - and this being the case it cannot be written off as a 'lost sale'. I know that many of the bands I have on my laptop and now love, have bought merchandise from and have bought tickets for, I never would have listened to if I hadn't pirated their music.

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#32
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#33
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This logic assumes that if the person hadn't pirated that product then they would have bought it - and this being the case it cannot be written off as a 'lost sale'. I know that many of the bands I have on my laptop and now love, have bought merchandise from and have bought tickets for, I never would have listened to if I hadn't pirated their music.

And the 'consummation without purchase' concept doesn't hold too much water either, as everyone does this constantly. Listening to a friend's CD is illegal by this idea, overhearing someone playing music loud in the car is, watching a film with someone using a single DVD would be, watching someone play a game would be, playing a one-console multiplayer game that belongs to someone else would be. The point works in a vacuum, but is completely illogical in reality.


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I would if I could.
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I would if I could.

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WAAAAAAHHHHH YOU'RE STEALING MY SHIT ONLINE. WAAAAAHHHHHH IMA TELL ON YOUUUU.

That's what it sounds like when people play that whole moral high ground card.

I think he is talking about the people who are trying to 'stick it to the labels', or feel they have some justification for downloading.
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#38
All the filesharing I have done has only served to make me spend more money on music.
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I think he is talking about the people who are trying to 'stick it to the labels', or feel they have some justification for downloading.

Ah, I thought he was talking about the other side, like what Todd Hart mentioned. The lost sales argument is complete bullshit because everyone knows that physical goods like CDs, vinyl, shirts, hoodies, and posters is where the shit's at, and everyone wants that anyway. If I am better connected with a band because I happened to listen to an album that I really liked from a mediafire download, then fuck, I'm more than likely to go buy their next album on CD because I like having physical CDs whenever possible. I got stuck with Tyr's Land album that way. Buzzkill of an album, but its predecessor was so good that I had to go buy Land to see what it was like.
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This logic assumes that if the person hadn't pirated that product then they would have bought it
No it doesn't.

I know that many of the bands I have on my laptop and now love, have bought merchandise from and have bought tickets for, I never would have listened to if I hadn't pirated their music.
This is the single most asinine fallback argument. Theft of any kind is inherently promotional in nature. Naturally, if the product is good, regardless of whether you paid for it or not, you will like the brand more. While piracy removes the risk of a bad investment and could potentially drive sales based on previous experience, the point still stands that this initial product wasn't paid for, even though it is intended as a point of sales, not free promotional material. The key here is the intention. But in reality, this scenario is extremely weak. Many people who pirate have a habit of keep pirating; yes, you enjoyed this initial product by this company, and now you will enjoy the next one again without paying. And even in the band specific scenario, you didn't compensate everyone who played a role in the production.

Listening to a friend's CD is illegal by this idea, overhearing someone playing music loud in the car is, watching a film with someone using a single DVD would be, watching someone play a game would be, playing a one-console multiplayer game that belongs to someone else would be. The point works in a vacuum, but is completely illogical in reality.
Yes, ideas are not physically tangible so it's much easier to be distributed around for consumption without any intention of piracy. But in all of those instances, they work on the principal of borrowing, of course not in the physical sense. But to download the file itself, with the ability to access it at any time on your own, oversteps that boundary. If you don't own a TV because you're constantly at your friend's house watching his TV, you didn't steal anything. Sharing a movie or song in that same context is no different.

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